Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrite (part 1): KDE3-only applications that won't build when KDE4 is installed

[Dale]

Ben de Groot wrote:
> 2009/11/3 Jörg Schaible <joerg.schaible@×××.de>
>
>>>>> # Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@g.o> (16 Oct 2009)
>>>>> # Fails to build with KDE4 installed wrt bug #277427.
>>>>> # Masked for removal in 30 days.
>>>>> net-news/eventwatcher
>>>>> kde-misc/kisdnwatch
>>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279823
>>>>>
>>>> Does kde team changed their plans to move kde3 together with all kde3
>>>> applications to dedicated overlay? If not, then why we just drop this
>>>> applications?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No, the plan hasn't changed. These won't build with _stable_ KDE4
>>> installed, and has no reverse deps. As such, they will be killed. Only
>>> the functional KDE3 programs will be moved to overlay.
>>>
>> Sorry, I cannot follow this argumentation. In the office I need Exchange
>> integration and all I can hope is, that it is ready for KDE 4.5. Unless
>> this time, I have to stick with KDE3.
>>
>> However, with you removing all those apps, you also remove quite some that I
>> use and need also. If you do not move them to the KDE3 overlay, my KDE3
>> setup is quite similar useless as KDE4 and the KDE3 overlay is simply a
>> farce. If I use KDE3 only, I do *not* have KDE4 on my machine i.e. those
>> apps *will* build without problems. You would have better add some build
>> dependency with <kdelibs-4 to effectively block those ebuilds when KDE4 is
>> installed.
>>
>
> You should join the kde-sunset (aka kde3) overlay team and maintain those
> packages, with the proper kde4 blocks, in that overlay. It expressly exists for
> people who need legacy applications.
>
> --
> Ben de Groot
> Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc)
> ______________________________________________________
>
>

< lowly user here>

We have been having a discussion on the KDE mailing list over the last
few days and a couple of us Gentoo users have "issues".  KDE 4 is just
not ready quite yet.  I firmly believe it will be in the next few months
and with each upgrade it gets better.  As I wrote on the KDE list a
short time ago, some of us feel that we are having KDE 4 forced on us
when it is not ready just because KDE 3.5 is not being maintained.  I'm
not pointing at Gentoo here because this appears to be coming from
upstream.  Gentoo can't provide packages when upstream is not updating.

What my point, and the point from others is, we need KDE 3.5 to be in
the tree until at least KDE 4.4 or even better KDE 4.5 is released.  I
have faith that KDE 4 will be ready and fully usable by that point. 
Surely this can be done somehow.  If not, KDE needs to rethink how they
do this next time so that it can.  It's not like KDE is new on the block.

Just to be clear, I don't think this is a Gentoo problem but a problem
with how KDE is handling the releases.  It sounds like KDE has dropped
the ball on KDE 3.5 a little bit early.  I'm not a dev so I could be
wrong here.

< end lowly user >

Dale

P. S.  Going back to my hole now.