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From: "Peter" <sw98234@...>
Subject: Re: seeds, GLEPs, and projects
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:43:16 +0000 (UTC)
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:01:02 -0400, Mike Pagano wrote:
> Maybe a recruiting drive to help with the maintenance.  A typical
> business brings on new blood and assigns them just that role to free up
> more senior developers for more complicated projects.
> 
> New developers should definitely meet a standard, but the possibility of
> bringing developers with energy and potential to assist in maintenance
> might be worth a consideration.

That's a laugh! Problem is that no devs seem to get approved in a timely
fashion. And, any potential devs would be rather turned off by the goings
on here. You guys seem to try and stifle innovation at every turn --
trying to turn Gentoo into GLEPtoo. Instead of progress, you have
arguments. Instead of innovation, you have arguments. Instead of new
blood, you lose people.

You (collectively meaning the critics of new projects) are so worried
about the perception of Gentoo that you can't see the forest for the
trees. The fact that every new proposal gets a 100 message thread as a
response looks really silly. Having developers submit ebuild quizzes and
then not hear for 6 weeks is silly.

Here's my take on what wrong with leadership and the process in
Gentoo-land . Many people have ideas, and some make attempts to implement
them. That's great. However, some then think it's not right or not proper
or not proposed the right way. Some of the critics may be right, but who's
the arbiter? Who's to say, "STFU, this project is going ahead" or "You've
got a point, let's discuss it." No one. There's no one person or group who
seems to have the authority to step up and take control of a situation. No
one who can say to bashers, "You're out of line." Oh I know, there's the
council, but really, I've yet to see them exert any authority. Look at the
calamity that surrounded Paludis or Sunrise.

Instead, you have a dozen people jerking around over the propriety of the
manner in which a project was proposed! All trying, with good intent,
to influence the future direction of Gentoo. Good god. It's like third
grade.

So, my unofficial 2 cents are: Encourage development at every turn.
Accelerate approval of developers (hint, kloeri, christel?), and, instead
of flaming and arguing all the time, maybe offer assistance! And lastly,
for goodness sakes, someone take control. You really need an authority
figure here who is respected and whose word is final. Otherwise, every
tom, dick, and harry with an opinion is going to chime in and say "Oh no,
you can't do that."

-- 
Peter

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Replies:
Re: Re: seeds, GLEPs, and projects
-- Christel Dahlskjaer
Re: Re: seeds, GLEPs, and projects
-- Mike Kelly
Delay in approval of new developers
-- Andrew Ross
References:
seeds, GLEPs, and projects
-- Grant Goodyear
Re: seeds, GLEPs, and projects
-- Simon Stelling
Re: seeds, GLEPs, and projects
-- Ciaran McCreesh
Re: seeds, GLEPs, and projects
-- Simon Stelling
Re: seeds, GLEPs, and projects
-- Mike Pagano
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