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David Leverton <levertond@××××××××××.com> posted |
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200806122258.26896.levertond@××××××××××.com, excerpted below, on Thu, 12 |
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Jun 2008 22:58:26 +0100: |
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> On Thursday 12 June 2008 22:21:48 Wernfried Haas wrote: |
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>> Agreed, if this is the way PMS is done, we should either get rid of it |
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>> or do it differently. |
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>> The current status as presented here is inacceptable. |
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> Could someone please explain what's wrong with PMS, other than "needs |
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> moar XML" and "I hate the people doing it"? |
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Umm... pardon me for speaking my mind a bit here, and nothing personal, |
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particularly since I have the utmost respect for the talent and skills of |
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the people involved, but after seeing a pattern repeated over the last |
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couple days I've seen time and time before, it's getting tiresome enough |
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to write up! |
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In this instance, it's the "pulling teeth" to get info on a claimed known |
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bug from PMS folks on pkgcore, while at the same time, complaints about |
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the non-clarity of PMS is met with remarks (by the same group of people) |
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of (paraphrased) "filed a patch yet?" |
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The problem is that this hasn't been the only case. There's a pattern. |
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It /frequently/ takes a day or two's worth of mails to get any decent |
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info out of this paludis/PMS lead, with him claiming it should be |
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obvious, but it's not, and while even the slightest criticism the other |
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way is met with filed a patch yet? |
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Eventually the dog and pony circus every time to drag out the needed |
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information gets old -- both for those forced to be the dog and ponies, |
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and for those reading it. |
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Ultimately, something's going to give. Either information won't require |
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a dog and pony show to get so often from the current solution, or another |
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solution, perhaps inferior otherwise and certainly a duplication of |
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effort, will have to be found. |
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It's not just pkgcore either, it's two of the three current PMs having |
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problems, with the "One True Way" that everyone with any sense must |
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/surely/ see is superior (or so it seems the thought is) gets filed a bug |
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(or patch) yet if met with any criticism as well, from the same folks |
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that it's like pulling teeth from to get any info from them. It has also |
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been a pattern in quite a number of previous multi-day multi-hundred-post |
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threads on various topics, involving the same people with the same |
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pattern, refusing to answer a simple request for info on the one hand, |
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while demanding bugs and/or patches when it's their turn. |
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What if the "filed a bug yet" attitude held on both sides, or even if one |
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side simply refused to play that begging dog or tricking pony the other |
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side expects them to be? It simply cannot go on that way forever. |
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Something's going to give, now, or later, when there's ultimately no more |
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Gentoo to pull apart and therefore no more Gentoo PMs or PMS to continue |
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fighting over. |
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Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman |
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