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On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Richard Yao <ryao@×××××××××××××.edu> wrote: |
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> I proposed a way that this could work with no effort on the part of the |
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> Gentoo developers in one of my earlier emails: |
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Then go ahead and make it happen. If as you say no dev participation |
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is needed there is nothing Gentoo needs to do to support this. |
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On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@g.o> wrote: |
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> We aren't Debian here people, we don't support "everything" :) |
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> If you want to support both, great, feel free to step up and do the |
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> work. |
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Gentoo is about choice, but it is largely about the choices that |
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people are willing to step up and maintain. |
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A few months ago there was a big thread and lots of devs said that |
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systemd isn't supported on Gentoo. Some devs stepped up and decided |
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to maintain it and now I'd say systemd is about as supported on Gentoo |
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as Prefix, FreeBSD, Sparc, or MIPS. That didn't happen because of |
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mailing list persuasion - it happened because a few people interested |
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in making it happen wrote a bunch of ebuilds. How do systemd units |
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end up in various packages? The people interested in seeing them |
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write good-quality patches and submit bugs, or otherwise work with the |
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maintainers to commit them. |
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For those who don't like the current direction, by all means create an |
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overlay called udev-root, mdev-boot, noinitramfs, or whatever. You |
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don't need anybody's permission to do it - just go on github and make |
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it happen. Write some good code. There are several devs here who |
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might even help you out with it, and nobody here is going to object to |
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packages going into the main tree as long as they're maintained in |
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accordance with Gentoo QA. Create some USE flags where you need |
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tie-ins to other system packages and as long as everything behaves |
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nicely and patches are good and maintained, I'm sure the package |
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maintainers will accept them. |
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Gentoo already gives its users a lot of choice, but it can only offer |
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the choices that people are willing to maintain. Right now I see a |
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lot of complaining and not a lot of maintaining. When I see a package |
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lastrited I don't moan about it - I either sigh or sign up to maintain |
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it. By all means make suggestions to improve the transition or write |
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docs, but simply posting on this list isn't likely to change the |
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direction the linux winds are blowing. The forces involved are much |
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larger than Gentoo. |
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Rich |