On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Rich Freeman <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Richard Yao <ryao@...> wrote:
>> I proposed a way that this could work with no effort on the part of the
>> Gentoo developers in one of my earlier emails:
> Then go ahead and make it happen. If as you say no dev participation
> is needed there is nothing Gentoo needs to do to support this.
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Greg KH <email@example.com> wrote:
>> We aren't Debian here people, we don't support "everything" :)
>> If you want to support both, great, feel free to step up and do the
> Gentoo is about choice, but it is largely about the choices that
> people are willing to step up and maintain.
> A few months ago there was a big thread and lots of devs said that
> systemd isn't supported on Gentoo. Some devs stepped up and decided
> to maintain it and now I'd say systemd is about as supported on Gentoo
> as Prefix, FreeBSD, Sparc, or MIPS. That didn't happen because of
> mailing list persuasion - it happened because a few people interested
> in making it happen wrote a bunch of ebuilds. How do systemd units
> end up in various packages? The people interested in seeing them
> write good-quality patches and submit bugs, or otherwise work with the
> maintainers to commit them.
> For those who don't like the current direction, by all means create an
> overlay called udev-root, mdev-boot, noinitramfs, or whatever. You
> don't need anybody's permission to do it - just go on github and make
> it happen. Write some good code. There are several devs here who
> might even help you out with it, and nobody here is going to object to
> packages going into the main tree as long as they're maintained in
> accordance with Gentoo QA. Create some USE flags where you need
> tie-ins to other system packages and as long as everything behaves
> nicely and patches are good and maintained, I'm sure the package
> maintainers will accept them.
In that vein... just to let you guys know that I have set up an
overlay that has allowed me to run my Gentoo machines with only
systemd: no OpenRC, no baselayout, no sysvinit:
The changes are rather minimal (less than ten lines (usually a cople)
per ebuild changed from the original ebuilds in the tree), and almost
all will go away when the following bugs get fixed:
Bug 373219 is specially problematic, since several scripts in packages
on the tree source /etc/init.d/functions.sh, (which lives in OpenRC),
and don't depend on OpenRC explicitly. I wrote a little script that
replaces the einfo, ewarn, etc. functions of OpenRC, and it seems to
be working. I also wrote alternative versions of the packages on the
tree that implicitly depend on OpenRC, so they now explicitly depend
on a little package that only installs my script.
It seems to be working.
If you guys want to try it, I would love to hear some comments about
it. (Usual disclaimer; if it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces).
Oh, and obviously the only supported setups are those with /usr in the
same partition as /; or, if /usr is in a separated partition, systems
that use an initramfs to mount it.
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México