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To: Diego Elio Pettenò <flameeyes@...>
From: Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 10:23:43 +0100
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On 06/11/2011 03:36 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> Il giorno sab, 11/06/2011 alle 01.48 +0100, Markos Chandras ha scritto:
>> I am sorry but this is not a way for a leader to treat the members of
>> his team. I am retiring myself from QA as well. Do note that 4 members
>> have already gone from QA. This cannot be a coincidence.
> For those who wouldn't get qa@g.o mail, Tomáš has also requested
> retirement from qa, in
> :
>> Markos for one you and vapier are the reason why i left the team because
>> otherwise i would have to kick both of you out.
> So I'd like to know how you can even pretend to count four members when:
>  - one retired because other members of the team decided to do as they
> like;
>  - two has been kicked out for playing along just if they can also make
> the rules (as soon as a rule was enacted that they didn't like they
> decided to ignore it, even under request to either not do so or be
> removed from QA);
>  - you decided to retire because I applied a warning I had sent in
> advance (on April 30th).
> Or maybe are you counting Sven who I haven't heard from in a year or
> two, and whose autorepoman mail has stopped coming ... probably before
> you ever became a developer?
> Maybe I scream in private, but what you three (keeping Tomáš out of
> this) are doing is crying in public because you're no longer allowed to
> poop in the sandbox you should keep clean.
> Do note that it was even your words:
>> I am sorry but having elections every few months is not a solution.
>> First we need to clean up the team, then become "team", then have
>> elections.
> Which is exactly what I'm going to do: I'm going to make sure that the
> team is on the same page: policies has to be followed, or they need to
> be changed. Which doesn't look like either of them (nor you I guess)
> want to do. I'm pretty sure I didn't ask much to the team beside
> actually following what the council decided.
> Finally, I'd like to point out that neither my character nor my actions
> have changed the slightest since the mail that Peper quoted — yet I was
> elected as team leader; it looks like though people wanted me to scream
> at anyone else beside them — too easy that way.
> And the only two people in the team who bothered to cast a vote (Luca
> and Christian), seems not to have an issue with me keeping this way.
> So, this might hurt your feelings, but I'm not really sorry to see you
> leave. As I said before I had been disappointed when people I had a high
> esteem of decided that rules shouldn't apply to them.
Calm down please. I don't scream in public. I tried to start quiet a lot
of discussions in private before I make my decision. You are right.
"Retire" is not a good work for the 4 people that left. Maybe "gone" is
more appropriate.
But, seeing your tone, it is very hard for me to even start a discussion
cause everything leads to personal attacks, irony and Mediterranean
temper that we both have. I lost all of my motivation and energy with
Samuli's case. IMHO, kicking them out wont improve anything. They both
agreed to follow the establish policy after all. QA team requires
*active* (do note the word) people, not just people with high respect to
rules. You have to admit, that now, you and Dane are the only ones who
are really *active*. Can you two really handle the QA load by yourself?
Diego, leadership means that you have to motivate and inspire people.
People need to follow you not because they afraid of you but because
they admire and respect you. You never really tried to talk to us and
get some insights. Everytime we received a mail from you it was because
someone has screwed up something and you were mad at him. Please, just
stop and think for a second that you *may* be wrong at some points.

- -- 
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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Re: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml
-- Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml
-- Samuli Suominen
Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml
-- Markos Chandras
Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo commit in xml/htdocs/proj/en/qa: index.xml
-- Diego Elio Pettenò
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