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On 06/11/2011 03:36 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: |
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> Il giorno sab, 11/06/2011 alle 01.48 +0100, Markos Chandras ha scritto: |
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>> I am sorry but this is not a way for a leader to treat the members of |
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>> his team. I am retiring myself from QA as well. Do note that 4 members |
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>> have already gone from QA. This cannot be a coincidence. |
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> For those who wouldn't get qa@g.o mail, Tomáš has also requested |
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> retirement from qa, in |
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> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368097#c66 : |
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>> Markos for one you and vapier are the reason why i left the team because |
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>> otherwise i would have to kick both of you out. |
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> So I'd like to know how you can even pretend to count four members when: |
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> - one retired because other members of the team decided to do as they |
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> like; |
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> - two has been kicked out for playing along just if they can also make |
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> the rules (as soon as a rule was enacted that they didn't like they |
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> decided to ignore it, even under request to either not do so or be |
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> removed from QA); |
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> - you decided to retire because I applied a warning I had sent in |
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> advance (on April 30th). |
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> Or maybe are you counting Sven who I haven't heard from in a year or |
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> two, and whose autorepoman mail has stopped coming ... probably before |
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> you ever became a developer? |
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> Maybe I scream in private, but what you three (keeping Tomáš out of |
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> this) are doing is crying in public because you're no longer allowed to |
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> poop in the sandbox you should keep clean. |
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> Do note that it was even your words: |
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>> I am sorry but having elections every few months is not a solution. |
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>> First we need to clean up the team, then become "team", then have |
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>> elections. |
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> Which is exactly what I'm going to do: I'm going to make sure that the |
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> team is on the same page: policies has to be followed, or they need to |
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> be changed. Which doesn't look like either of them (nor you I guess) |
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> want to do. I'm pretty sure I didn't ask much to the team beside |
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> actually following what the council decided. |
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> Finally, I'd like to point out that neither my character nor my actions |
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> have changed the slightest since the mail that Peper quoted — yet I was |
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> elected as team leader; it looks like though people wanted me to scream |
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> at anyone else beside them — too easy that way. |
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> And the only two people in the team who bothered to cast a vote (Luca |
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> and Christian), seems not to have an issue with me keeping this way. |
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> So, this might hurt your feelings, but I'm not really sorry to see you |
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> leave. As I said before I had been disappointed when people I had a high |
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> esteem of decided that rules shouldn't apply to them. |
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Calm down please. I don't scream in public. I tried to start quiet a lot |
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of discussions in private before I make my decision. You are right. |
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"Retire" is not a good work for the 4 people that left. Maybe "gone" is |
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more appropriate. |
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But, seeing your tone, it is very hard for me to even start a discussion |
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cause everything leads to personal attacks, irony and Mediterranean |
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temper that we both have. I lost all of my motivation and energy with |
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Samuli's case. IMHO, kicking them out wont improve anything. They both |
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agreed to follow the establish policy after all. QA team requires |
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*active* (do note the word) people, not just people with high respect to |
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rules. You have to admit, that now, you and Dane are the only ones who |
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are really *active*. Can you two really handle the QA load by yourself? |
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Diego, leadership means that you have to motivate and inspire people. |
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People need to follow you not because they afraid of you but because |
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they admire and respect you. You never really tried to talk to us and |
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get some insights. Everytime we received a mail from you it was because |
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someone has screwed up something and you were mad at him. Please, just |
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stop and think for a second that you *may* be wrong at some points. |
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- -- |
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Regards, |
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Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 |
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