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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 03:09:39
Message-Id: CAGfcS_kMnVx-ppgHe9Es39KvTdgbZ5XYdfKJ4Ar0DhJ2WNBhEQ@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012] by Patrick Lauer
1 On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Patrick Lauer <patrick@g.o> wrote:
2 > On 05/10/12 06:36, Greg KH wrote:
3 >> On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 08:51:37PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
4 >>> Please stop throwing lennartware at people. FailAudio has been enough, thanks.
5 >> The use of these terms is both rude and totally uncalled for.  You
6 >> should be ashamed of yourself.
7 > It's reactive. I've been called stupid, conservative, behind the times,
8 > user of obsolete software that will go the way of the dinosaurs. Why
9 > should we be ashamed of not agreeing with these funny pranksters?
10
11 Look, I have pretty mixed feelings about all the vertical integration.
12 However, let's at least do each other the professional courtesy of
13 not resorting to name-calling. We're allowed to disagree, and that's
14 OK. By all means voice your opinion. However, let's talk about the
15 issues, and not the people advocating them.
16
17 This is just polite behavior. It is also the rules for posting on
18 this list, especially if you hold a g.o address.
19
20 > So why would I give up my freedom to tinker just because someone else is
21 > writing more code than I do?
22
23 I understand your frustration. Really, I do - I often find myself
24 sharing it. However, in the end people working on FOSS are basically
25 free to do what they want, and everybody is free to use or support
26 what they want. I don't like the fact that most people contributing
27 to Android tend/aspire to be associated with the commercial market for
28 smartphones, and as a result they tend to embrace pro-developer /
29 anti-consumer solutions (like not allowing easy blocking of ads, or
30 randomizing calls to read the IMEI, etc). However, the market is what
31 it is. The only thing that is really any different today is that
32 companies are at least releasing the source for the stuff they do - in
33 the past they'd have just closed it all off so that there wouldn't
34 even be the option of forking. If I want to I can at least find the
35 API call to read my IMEI and tamper with it.
36
37 I think part of the community frustration is the increasing level of
38 commercial support around Linux. That has given us much more robust
39 stuff to play with, but it also has resulted in a loss of control and
40 change in general atmosphere. In the world of 1999 Linux market share
41 took a back seat to hackability. In the world of the Canonicals,
42 market share matters a great deal, and appealing to open source
43 contributors matters a lot less.
44
45 Rich