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From: Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: openrc portage news item
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:13:17
Message-Id: 4DA71CED.1030601@gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: openrc portage news item by Matthew Summers
1 Matthew Summers wrote:
2 > Hi,
3 >
4 > I have a few suggestions regarding this major change to Gentoo systems.
5 >
6 > 1. We should determine and then announce the precise date (appears to
7 > be in May) and time that baselayout-2 will be stabilized via:
8 > 1.1 A front page News item on www.g.o (PR team assemble!),
9 > 1.2 The main MLs (gentoo-announce, gentoo-users, etc),
10 > 1.3 Add a link to the www news item to /topic in #gentoo, and
11 > 1.4 Post a sticky topic in the Forum.
12 > all in addition to the eselect news item under discussion here. The
13 > above would link to the migration guide too.
14 >
15 > The rationale for this effort at getting the word out is to prevent
16 > users from hosing their system(s). While I tend to agree that users
17 > should read these eselect news items, its often not the case.
18 > Therefore I recommend shooting for the widest possible distribution of
19 > this information. Also, this gives PR a chance to let the world know
20 > about openrc and its benefits to Gentoo.
21 >
22 > 2. We should prepare a quick "recover-your-system" guide (could also
23 > create a script too) that can be quickly linked to for user support.
24 > This will save time for people providing support via IRC, email, etc,
25 > and give people a reasonable means of system recovery without huge
26 > pain.
27 >
28 > 3. Update the handbook to reflect these changes as soon as possible,
29 > and have that all go public simultaneously with the stabilization.
30 >
31 > 4. I have attached an edited and unfinished version of the original
32 > news item for review. I attempted to be succinct.
33 >
34 > This is a really exciting and potentially also rather
35 > anxiety-provoking change for our user base and Gentoo. We all know
36 > that the new baselayout is awesome, and users will find out soon
37 > enough. We simply need to make our best effort at easing the
38 > transition so we minimize the number of casualties.
39 >
40 > Thank you,
41 > Matt
42 >
43
44 I wouldn't mind seeing this on the main Gentoo page as soon as
45 possible. Some people may not visit the Gentoo page very often, I'm one
46 of those. This could be done even if it has to be changed as things
47 update. Maybe one that it is coming and one a few days before it hits
48 stable in the tree.
49
50 +1 on this being a good idea. This is a really important update since
51 it can cause a system to be unbootable. I'm thinking about folks that
52 may admin a box remotely too.
53
54 If all the above is done and people miss that it is coming, I think it
55 could safely be said that everything that could be done was done to
56 inform people. The list above includes about every means of
57 communication Gentoo has.
58
59 Great post.
60
61 Dale
62
63 :-) :-)