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On 04/09/2010 05:51 PM, Dror Levin wrote: |
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> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 21:05, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@g.o> wrote: |
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>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o> wrote: |
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>>> So all I'm asking is to do your job and make decisions on issues that |
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>>> affect all of Gentoo. The issues I brought up are wider than a single |
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>>> individual project. |
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>> And almost 100% of the time this needs to run through a GLEP, which is |
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>> the case here. Then the council will do all the things you've pasted |
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>> from GLEP 39 |
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> I thought the council was a body that should be capable of action, not |
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> merely one that gives a stamp of approval for stuff other people do. |
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> Was I wrong? |
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It's capable of action if the members want to take it. |
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> Reading all your manifestos from the elections shows you all had |
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> things you wanted to do, things you wanted to change (git migration, |
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> forming a group of experts to discuss technical issues, QA |
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> propagation, just to name a few). Where did all that go to? If all the |
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> council is currently able to do is get everybody involved in |
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> bureaucracy (e.g. writing GLEPs for centralizing documentation instead |
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> of putting a page full of links) just so it could meet once a month to |
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> decide on bugzilla resolutions, then something is wrong. |
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Let's see my manifesto: |
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- EAPIs: council is not the blocker |
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- Meetings: there will be a web application most likely in GSoC |
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> All council members not only volunteered for that position, but also |
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> had other people voting for them. Didn't you do that so you could have |
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> a larger influence? So you could make Gentoo better? How do you plan |
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> to achieve that if you just wait for other people to do it? I don't |
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> see why there is such strong opposition by your side to actually do |
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> something, after all, that's what you're there for. |
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I said in my manifesto that Gentoo is not my first priority so you get |
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what you vote for :) |
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> Ben raised some very painful issues which hurt Gentoo daily but are |
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> not being addressed for a long time. The way I see it, the council's |
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> job is to lead Gentoo, and that includes things that individual |
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> members may not find interesting. These are global issues which are |
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> under the council's responsibility. Gentoo's best interest should be |
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> in mind, not personal interests, and so the council should strive to |
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> achieve all those things so that Gentoo may benefit from it. That's |
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> what leadership is, and that's what your job is. |
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Many of the points Ben raised are doable by any single developer who |
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wants to do the work. Just show up with the code/patches. |
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> Let's take redesigning the homepage as an example. Our website has the |
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> same design since at least 2002, and to users it looks dead. This is |
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> seriously hurting Gentoo, and its inability to fix the situation has |
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> become a laughing stock. Clearly, Gentoo as a whole suffers and it's |
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> the council's responsibility to address this issue. Now, I'm not |
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> saying that council members should sit around all day playing with |
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> CSS, but this issue should be one of their top priorities. Maybe ask |
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> for users to help, reward a volunteer to do it with funds from the |
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> foundation, heck maybe even pay some company to do it, but just do |
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> something, even though you may not think dealing with this is |
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> interesting, but a response like "if you want it then work on it and |
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> make it happen" is unacceptable. |
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Just petition the trustees to spend money on it. I guess Debian is dying |
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too then: |
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http://web.archive.org/web/20020124014701/http://www.debian.org/ |
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Regards, |
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Petteri |