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From: Jeff Horelick <jdhore@g.o>
Subject: Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:08:28 -0400
On 29 May 2012 12:27, hasufell <hasufell@g.o> wrote:
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> On 05/29/2012 05:23 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:57 AM, hasufell <hasufell@g.o>
>> wrote:
>>> I am against too many defaults. It's documented and people can
>>> activate it. I'm already annoyed by pre-set stuff like "cups" in
>>> releases/make.defaults.
>>
>> While universal agreement is a bit much to hope for, I just wanted
>> to point out that fewer defaults is really just an illusion.
>>
>> There is ALWAYS a default, anytime you have an option.  The
>> default might be one thing, or it might be another, but there is
>> ALWAYS a default.  My thinking is that our defaults should
>> generally reflect the most mainstream or least-surprising behavior,
>> especially where there are upstream projects.  in the case of
>> portage, we are the upstream, so we should do whatever is most
>> useful and least obnoxious to our users.
>>
>> If you're running something other than a generic desktop/server,
>> there will always be a need to tweak things.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>
> Well then let my clarify: I'm against too many pre-set (meaning
> "activated") features/useflags.
>
> That's probably a seperate discussion, but I myself would expect the
> _default_ profile/config to have almost nothing activated. No
> useflags, no features etc.
>
> That may imply that this default is "broken", but it takes more time
> to do reverse-configuration while looking for things that someone
> considered "sane" and has set for your "convenience".
>
> I discovered this the first time I set up a blank chroot and got a
> load of stuff pulled in by some trivial emerges. Some set by already
> mentioned releases/make.defaults and similar, some set by ebuilds etc.
>
> What you do with other profiles is a completely different topic,
> because I'm not forced to use them.
>
> means: I don't like the fact that I have to set
> FEATURES="-foobar"
> or
> USE="-foobar"
>
> That should almost never be the case (unless I set some globally and
> unset some locally or use desktop-profiles etc).
>
> am I offtopic already? Hope you got the point though.
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I disagree with this. I think Gentoo should be about SANE defaults. If
you want a minimal system, you can turn off all the USE flags and/or
FEATURES and/or use the standard (not desktop/) profile. SANE defaults
like FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" are optimal for probably 90% of
users and if you're not one of those 90%, there'll be a news item,
just turn them off...


Replies:
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- Michael Orlitzky
References:
RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- Zac Medico
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- Agostino Sarubbo
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- Michał Górny
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- Rich Freeman
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- hasufell
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- Rich Freeman
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- hasufell
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