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From: Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:29:46
Message-Id: 4F1AAF86.1050503@gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr by "Michał Górny"
1 Michał Górny wrote:
2 > On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:20:03 -0600
3 > Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
4 >
5 >> Michał Górny wrote:
6 >>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:38:26 -0600
7 >>> Dale<rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
8 >>>
9 >>>> Michał Górny wrote:
10 >>>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:14:52 +0100
11 >>>>> Enrico Weigelt<weigelt@×××××.de> wrote:
12 >>>>>
13 >>>>>> * Micha?? Górny<mgorny@g.o> schrieb:
14 >>>>>>
15 >>>>>>> Does working hard involve compiling even more packages
16 >>>>>>> statically?
17 >>>>>> I guess, he means keeping udev in / ?
18 >>>>> Because adding 80 KiB of initramfs hurts so much? We should then
19 >>>>> put more work just to ensure that admin doesn't have to waste 15
20 >>>>> minutes to recompile the kernel (if necessary), create an
21 >>>>> initramfs and add it to bootloader config?
22 >>>>>
23 >>>> 80Kbs? You sure about that? I somehow failed to mention this
24 >>>> before. I noticed it when I saw another reply to this post.
25 >>>> Reality check:
26 >>> 80 KiB is enough for mounting plain /usr and booting with it. See
27 >>> tiny-initramfs (but I haven't tested it thoroughly).
28 >>>
29 >>
30 >> My plan is to have /usr on lvm. I think it will end up larger and it
31 >> still adds one more thing to break.
32 >>
33 >> I really wish someone would get a better plan. I think I see a
34 >> garbage dump ahead with lots of Linux distros headed that way.
35 >
36 > Better plan how? LVM requires udev for some reason. Letting rootfs grow
37 > with data unnecessary for a number of users is no good plan either.
38 > Just install that initramfs, be done with it and let us focus on actual
39 > work rather than fixing random breakages.
40 >
41 > We already usually have separate /boot to satisfy the needs of
42 > bootloader. Then you want us to chain yet another filesystem to satisfy
43 > the needs of another layer. Initramfs reuses /boot for that.
44 >
45
46
47 The point is, I don't like initramfs. I don't want to use one. It's
48 funny how I never needed one before either but now things are being
49 broken. It's not LVM that is breaking it either. I wouldn't need the
50 initramfs even if It was on a regular partition until the recent so
51 called "improvements."
52
53 Dale
54
55 :-) :-)
56
57 --
58 I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
59 how you interpreted my words!
60
61 Miss the compile output? Hint:
62 EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--quiet-build=n"

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Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr "Michał Górny" <mgorny@g.o>