Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Mike Auty <ikelos@g.o> wrote:
>> I'm quite happy to continue working in a friendly helpful environment,
>> where simple questions are most often met with patient answers and
>> people are given the chance to learn, improve and help out where they
>> can.  I'm happy to keep quietly maintaining my ebuilds and let the
>> people whose packages I package come up with the new stuff.  You don't
>> seem to be, so perhaps this isn't the right place for you to
>> contribute? ~ If you do want to contribute, perhaps you could
>> consider the environment you're working in, and be more accommodating
>> to it rather than fighting against it?
> 
> The environment is a large part of Gentoo's problem. The focus needs
> to be taken away from the 'community' (where community means a bunch of
> Ubuntu users who make lots of noise on the forums) and put back into
> delivering a decent distribution.
> 

But people will never agree on where to draw that line. While Mike wants 
"a friendly helpful environment, where simple questions are most often 
met with patient answers and people are given the chance to learn, 
improve and help out where they can", you want everybody to be 100% 
proficient.

Now, here's the point: if only those people ever spoke who are 100% sure 
  that they're 100% proficient, there would probably be only 1-2 people 
left to discuss an issue. That is not just shutting out "a bunch of 
Ubuntu users who make lots of noise on the forums" (I don't think that's 
an adequate definition for 'community', btw), but also lots of 
experienced users and actually most of Gentoo's developers. 
Additionally, you can have such a discussion in private.

You say you're trying to improve Gentoo. Fine. You say you want to do 
this fast. Fine as well. But you have to realize that fast won't work 
without support from your user base.
After all, most Gentoo users aren't here to just to use the great 
package manager. They want to understand their system. (If they didn't, 
they were off to use Ubuntu/... anyway.)
But now here you come, saying "Great new feature, has to be that way, 
won't explain to all of you uninformed people." I don't want you to 
explain every bit. But if someone raises a concern or has a question 
(and I expect him to have thought about what he's saying before doing 
so), you just continue acting like that. So, how can you possibly expect 
any support?

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