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From: Ladislav Laska <ladislav.laska@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New ebuild metadata to mark how robust the package is?
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:46:01
Message-Id: 255f067f0910210545u5790cdccxaaa2f390a6493496@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] Re: New ebuild metadata to mark how robust the package is? by Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>
1 Hi,
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3 One can see some similarity to a thread around week or two old (about
4 critical packages). I would imagine, that a simple and straightforward
5 solution would be to make a new set of packages. Since we already have
6 world and system sets, it wouldn't hurt to have a third, "safe" list
7 which would be configurable by user. What I mean is:
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9 I consider ssh, postfix two very important packages (ssh is pretty
10 stable, but hey, what if...) and I would most certainly not want to
11 trigger emerge world and not notice postfix. So: I would add ssh and
12 postfix to the "safe" set and do emerge -avu @safe, have a coffee and
13 looked whether it's ok (mail are flowing, can login, etc. etc.) and
14 then do emerge -avuD world and sleep well.
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16 I think this would be good solution for all of you?
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19 Regards Ladislav Laska
20 S pozdravem Ladislav Laska
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26 On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@×××.net> wrote:
27 > Patrick Lauer posted on Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:53:39 +0200 as excerpted:
28 >
29 >> On Saturday 17 October 2009 01:29:00 Daniel Bradshaw wrote:
30 >>> Some packages, like findutils, are pretty robust and generally just get
31 >>> on with working.
32 >>> Other packages, like apache and ssh, need are more fragile and need
33 >>> plenty of configuration.
34 >> That's almost completely user-side configuration outside the influence
35 >> of portage. emerge findutils and emerge apache "works" the same ...
36 >>
37 >>
38 >>> Packages from the second group want emerging on their own, or in small
39 >>> groups, the better to keep an eye out for notices about things that
40 >>> might break, to update configs, and to check that they're running
41 >>> happily.
42 >> That's a very individual thing :)
43 >> Sometimes apache is a critical service, sometimes apache is just there
44 >> as a fallback if/when the lighttpd+php+... stack breaks.
45 >
46 > FWIW, there's a portage helper package, IDR the name as I have my own
47 > system for this but it looks like it might be helpful here, that allows
48 > users to pick and choose their updates.  One could run it multiple times,
49 > updating (what the user considers) the critical stuff on its own, and
50 > updating everything else in a big bunch.
51 >
52 > That seems like the answer here; it already exists; and it's in the tree
53 > (unless it has been removed recently, I don't know as IDR the name).
54 > Take a look thru app-portage and see what you find.
55 >
56 > --
57 > Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
58 > "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
59 > and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman
60 >
61 >
62 >

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New ebuild metadata to mark how robust the package is? Ladislav Laska <ladislav.laska@×××××.com>