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On 06/15/2012 03:12 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 15 June 2012 13:24, Arun Raghavan <email@example.com> wrote:
>> On 15 June 2012 10:33, Ben de Groot <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>> On 15 June 2012 12:45, Arun Raghavan <email@example.com> wrote:
>>>> On 15 June 2012 09:58, Greg KH <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>>>> So, anyone been thinking about this? I have, and it's not pretty.
>>>>> Minor details like, "do we have a 'company' that can pay Microsoft to
>>>>> sign our bootloader?" is one aspect from the non-technical side that I've
>>>>> been wondering about.
>>>> Sounds like something the Gentoo Foundation could do.
>>> I'm certainly not the only one who would be averse to paying Microsoft
>>> any ransom money.
>> And our refusal to pay for the signing affects precisely nobody except
>> for our users, who will have to jump through an extra hoop to make
>> their system work.
>> On the flip side, having a simple way to use this infrastructure means
>> that people who care about security can get a chain of trust from the
>> firmware to the kernel (heck, maybe even userspace one day). This is
>> something that is worth having as well.
> I agree that security is a worthwhile goal. I just don't trust Microsoft.
It's more of a "pay us or your system can't boot" that I'm opposed to.
Saying "I just don't trust Microsoft" is second to "I just don't trust
corporations that extort money from me just so I can boot". I don't
care who we are paying, I'm offended by the idea. If users can't build
their own fully functional boot loader that's an issue.
I'm all for the signed "work-around signatures" idea as it is the least
objectionable... if such a thing is even possible.