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On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 10:10:49AM -0500, Peter Fein wrote: |
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> > This has been brought up before and I personally do not really like the |
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> > idea too much, i think it makes the distro less reliable as whole if we |
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> > add options like this. People will start using repositories here and |
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> > there and in the end we will get bugreports on ebuilds we never approved |
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> > or even saw (and some ebuilds can have far reaching effects). No, i |
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> > think 'external distributors' should try and go trough the normal |
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> > channels and get their ebuilds Gentoo approved. |
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> I think a note saying "DON"T DO THIS UNLESS YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE |
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> DOING", as is done elsewhere would suffice. Given the recent volume on |
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> ebuild approval, that's not much of an counter-argument. I agree that |
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> inclusion in Gentoo-proper is a worthy goal - but as a user, not being |
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> restricted to blessed packages should be my choice (and of course, no |
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> one's under any obligation to support any of this to begin with, but |
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> it's worth discussing). Maybe I'm less scared of stability issues |
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> running Gentoo on a home box that could erupt into flames without |
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> causing me much distress, but this should be a matter of choice, rather |
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> than a policy enforced by software. Such a scheme may actually speed up |
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> package acceptance, as it provides a wider test base prior to inclusion. |
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I'll begin by saying I have some issues with Debian these days. Take my |
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opinions with a Syberian salt mine if you like. |
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I must warn that although Debian's preferred package system (but not its |
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only one) happens to support more than one source for packages, these |
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packages almost all are made by Debian developers or people who would be |
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developers if not for the "internal issues" which have so turned me off |
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from that project. Nearly all of the packages in question are intended to |
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be part of the Debian distribution eventually. |
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Gentoo provides a mechanism for the most common thing non-Debian sources |
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are used for: things which really aren't ready for the average user, even |
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in unstable. If it isn't ready, Gentoo will simply keep it masked. The |
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adventurous will unmask it by hand. |
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The other thing it's used for is for in Debian is a place to put things |
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that Debian will not accept because they're all a bunch of spineless |
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cowards who don't want to risk annoying the media conglomerates and |
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similar. Everything Debian wouldn't take that I've actually wanted is in |
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Gentoo already, so I doubt that will be a big deal. |
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I will say that Debian's size is one of its biggest problems. You just |
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can't make 11,000 packages stable on 12 different architectures for a |
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stable release. It's less of a problem for Gentoo since we're dealing |
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with source here, but it's still significantly difficult. To Gentoo's |
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credit, the portage tree operates already the way Debian's package pool |
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was supposed to work as designed by a few of us Debianites (I was among |
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them) as far back as 1998 or so to cope with Debian's size/stability |
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issues. Five years later, Debian's package pools still don't work the way |
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we specced it. Gentoo's system does. |
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Guess which Linux dist I'm writing this email from? ;) |
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Joseph Carter <knghtbrd@×××.org> Do not write in this space |
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"I've never had major knee surgery on any other part of my body." |
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-- Winston Bennett, University of Kentucky basketball forward |
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