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From: Richard Freeman <rich0@g.o>
Subject: Re: Tone in Gentoo
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 13:40:42 -0400
On 06/19/2010 01:06 PM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote:
> On 19-06-2010 16:15, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
>> #gentoo-infra is a channel on infra matters.
>> The fact that it's developers only doesn't make it a private channel in
>> a sense of "tone doesn't matter".
> you've failed to notice an important point that others have already
> tried to convey to you - #gentoo-infra is the home of the Gentoo infra
> team. Yes, developers go there to address infra issues on Gentoo, but it
> is the infra team channel and not the channel of every Gentoo developer.

Perhaps he didn't fail to notice this point, but rather he just 
disagrees with it?

The fact is that #gentoo-infra is part of the Gentoo linux distribution. 
  It belongs to every Gentoo developer, or at least legally to every 
Gentoo foundation member.  Conduct on this channel reflects on all 
Gentoo developers.

It really does bother me that everybody is lining up to defend this kind 
of behavior.  If the response had been - sorry, I guess the joking got 
out of hand I'd say, ok, well, let's try to do better but let's all move 
on.  I don't see offensive behavior using Gentoo IDs/IRC Cloaks/media as 
a trivial matter.  It sets the overall tone of the distro, which is what 
this thread is all about.

I've heard several devs over the years comment that they love 
contributing to Gentoo, but they'd never put it on their resume.  Who 
can blame them?  I know that if I ever were hiring somebody and they 
pointed out that they were a Gentoo dev, I'd tend to assume that their 
technical knowledge was pretty good but you can be assured I'd do quite 
a bit of digging around to figure out if they're somebody I'd want 
working on my team.

Unless somebody is so good that you'd be fine if they were the only 
person working for you, then they're not too good to pass over.  Rest 
assured that if you hire and keep certain people, sooner or later they 
WILL be the only ones working for you...

I don't think that most Gentoo devs behave in this way.  I think a lot 
of people care about trying to fix this.  I don't think it is asking too 
much for Gentoo devs to try to keep their behavior reasonably 
professional when using Gentoo media, or Gentoo emails/cloaks/etc.

No need to start burning people at the stake for slip-ups, but let's at 
least try to agree that we'd like to be associated with a somewhat 
professional-acting distribution?


Re: Tone in Gentoo
-- Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
Tone in Gentoo
-- Sebastian Pipping
Re: Tone in Gentoo
-- Sebastian Pipping
Re: Tone in Gentoo
-- Sebastian Pipping
Re: Tone in Gentoo
-- Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
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