Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in media-libs/mlt: ChangeLog mlt-0.5.4-r1.ebuild

[Alex Alexander]

On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 08:00:40PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 07:16:26PM +0300, Alex Alexander wrote:
> > Does respecting LDFLAGS change the installed files in any way? yes.
> > Will users benefit from your change if you don't revbump? No.
> >
> > I think that chain of logic is enough to warrant a revbump and it is
> > covered by the devmanual since the change affects the installed package.
> No it doesn't. If it was that clear we wouldn't debated over this over and
> over. The cvs logs and you will see that other devs are fixing the package
> without revbump.

The fact that others do what you do doesn't automatically make it right.

> >
> > It's merely a cp, why are you making such a fuss about it? You're doing
> > a good job already, we're just pointing out ways to make it even better
> >
> Cause I don't like users to compile the same damn package over and over. -r1
> for docs on ${PF}, -r2 for CFLGAS, -r3 for LDFLAGS, -r4 for ... Is that a good
> reason or not? It is not like I introduce huge patches with bugfixes etc. My
> fixes are QA fixes not *serious* bugfixes anyway.
> Furthermore the QA fixes I do ( CC,CFLAGS,LDFLAGS ) are easily spotted and
> there isn't much for users to test anyway. Either you respect the bloody flags
> or not. I don't do blindly commits. I try to test the packages in multiple
> chroots anyway.

All your fixes are important else you wouldn't be doing them.

I still don't understand why you don't want to revbump.

Your changes may not affect program features but they do fix hidden
issues. Issues that might help users later (for example, rebuilding a
package with --as-needed may reduce revdep-rebuilds in the future).

You can always try to reduce revbumps by doing all the things you
mentioned together, if possible.

In any case, unless we're talking about openoffice or kdelibs, revbumps
don't really cost so much anymore.

> > :)
> >
> > BTW, archs do the final testing, but much testing is done by the users
> > themselves, who report the bugs that get fixed before the packages get a
> > STABLEREQ bug ;)
> Most of these bugs don't come from users but from Diego. Why? Because users
> don't bother reading the build.log and see if all their flags are respected or
> not. I wouldn't do it either. This

I never said users report these specific bugs. But they will test *your*
revbumps and may report other problems you didn't hit.

> > > > Please, don't skip revbumps to avoid "tree spamming", thats why we have
> > > > revbumps in the first place ;)
> I am not convinced yet that this kind of QA fixes require a revbump. As I
> said, commit an actual patch, assigned to QA and if the rest of the members
> agree on that I am willing to change my policy.

Now you're just being stubborn. I'm pretty sure your mentor told you "any
change to installed files warrants a revbump" ;)

Do we really need bureaucracy to enforce a commonly followed but not
documented policy?

> > > > > unless something is on stable branch, I fix it as it is. I don't want to
> > > > > version bump anything because I don't want to mess with anyones
> > > > > packages. I only do QA fixing. If you have problem touching your
> > > > > packages just say it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332523
> > > > >
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> > > > > Markos Chandras (hwoarang)
> > > > > Gentoo Linux Developer
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> > > >
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> > > > www.linuxized.com
> > >
> > >
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> > > Markos Chandras (hwoarang)
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> Markos Chandras (hwoarang)
> Gentoo Linux Developer
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