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From: Dale <rdalek1967@...>
Subject: Re: Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:10:43 -0500
Brian Harring wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 05:14:16PM -0500, Dale wrote:
>    
>> Lars Wendler wrote:
>>      
>>> Am Mittwoch 16 Juni 2010, 14:45:21 schrieb Angelo Arrifano:
>>>
>>>        
>>>> On 16-06-2010 14:40, Jim Ramsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn<chithanh@g.o>   wrote:
>>>>>            
>>>>>> One notable section is 7.6 in which Adobe reserves the right to
>>>>>> download and install additional Content Protection software on the
>>>>>> user's PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              
>>>>> Not like anyone will actually *read* the license before adding it to
>>>>> their accept group, but if they did this would indeed be an important
>>>>> thing of which users should be aware.
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>> I defend it is our job to warn users about this kind of details. To me
>>>> it sounds that a einfo at post-build phase would do the job, what do you
>>>> guys think?
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> Definitely yes! This is a very dangerous snippet in Adobe's license which
>>> should be pretty clearly pointed at to every user.
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>> Could that also include a alternative to adobe?  If there is one.
>>      
> The place to advocate free alternatives (or upstreams that are
> nonsuck) isn't in einfo messages in ebuilds, it's on folks blogs or at
> best in metadata.xml... einfo should be "this is the things to watch
> for in using this/setting it up" not "these guys are evil, use one of
> the free alternatives!".
>
> Grok?
>
> ~harring
>    

I was thinking more along the lines of "the end user license has changed 
substantially for this package. If you don't accept the changes and want 
a alternative package, you can look into xyz or wyz." Nothing about 
being evil, just information.

This way the user knows it has changed, they can read it and then if 
they have problems with it, they can then use something else. I have all 
licenses accepted in my make.conf, as does another poster in this 
thread, but I do hope that I would be notified if a package is going to 
install or otherwise change my system. I'm using Gentoo because I DON'T 
want things installed that I don't know about. After all, the first line 
of defense in open source distros is the developers. Just think, would 
your reaction be different if it explicitly said it was going to install 
spyware? After all, no one knows what it may install and then do. Some 
users may decide they don't want to take that chance if they know about 
it. Right now, they may not even know about it. If I wasn't subscribed 
here, I wouldn't either.

Just my thoughts.

Dale

:-) :-)


References:
Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group
-- Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Re: Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group
-- Jim Ramsay
Re: Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group
-- Angelo Arrifano
Re: Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group
-- Lars Wendler
Re: Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group
-- Dale
Re: Adding AdobeFlash-10{,.1} licenses to EULA group
-- Brian Harring
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