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Ferris McCormick <fmccor@g.o> posted |
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20090628221421.1c9f82c7@××××××××××××××.us, excerpted below, on Sun, 28 |
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Jun 2009 22:14:21 +0000: |
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>> Its my opinion that the concept of proxies in council meetings is |
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>> fatally flawed. |
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>> 1. The brief (if any) that the proxy is given by the council member |
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>> being proxied is never made public. |
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> This is a problem. Any time a council member requires a proxy, that |
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> should be published immediately (including who the proxy is). Not |
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> possible for things coming up at the last minute, of course. |
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Extending that, what about having, at least for a first proxy level, a |
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"designated proxy"? Each council member would choose a proxy at the |
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beginning of their term, or even as a running mate if taken that far. |
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Designated proxies would then be effectively council members with |
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observer status -- no voting power -- unless their designated member was |
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absent. |
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Following the logic, designated proxies /could/ (IOW, I'm not sure it is |
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practical to take it this far) be held to the same general council |
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standards, slacker marks for non-attendance, etc, and in otherwise |
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comment-closed sessions would have voice -- they just wouldn't have the |
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vote unless their designated voting council member was absent. |
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If the proxy was chosen at the beginning of the term (not as a running |
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mate), the first order of business of the first meeting of a new council |
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would be approving the table of proxies. Either way, it would basically |
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eliminate the question of whether a council member or designated proxy |
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must be a dev or not, because either they'd have been voted in with that |
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taken into account, or the council would have approved the designated |
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proxies at the first meeting. (I'd suggest, for fairness and efficiency, |
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the first approval vote be held on the entire table of proxies, not |
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individually. If that vote fails, then go the individual route. I'm not |
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sure about what to do if a voting member doesn't make the first meeting; |
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perhaps give the presumed proxy the vote for that first meeting, even if |
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it means he's voting on approving himself?) |
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Now, practically speaking, if this is instituted, since we'd be |
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effectively doubling the number of people on council (just not the number |
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of votes), it may be useful to reduce the number of voting members a |
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bit. It would in fact be possible to have it an even number, as well, in |
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which case, if there was a tie, the designated proxies could vote as |
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well, with their combined votes taken as a single tie override. (If the |
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number of voting members were even, however, so would be the number of |
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proxies, thus leading to the possibility of a tie vote there as well. |
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I'd suggest that a wise policy in that case would be that the matter is |
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voted down, as there's simply not enough consensus on the matter yet. If |
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desired, the issue could be brought up again in say... six months, thus |
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giving each council two chances at a vote, without locking it up on the |
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same issue for months at a time. Alternatively, the first runner(s)-up |
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could be the tie-breaker, and they'd need observer status as well, in |
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ordered to be in the loop enough to cast that vote.) |
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FWIW, it's seven council members now. Perhaps five would work, yielding |
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ten, with the designated proxies as observers. Even four, using the tie |
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breaking rules above, making it 8 including designated proxies. I'd hate |
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to see it go below four as that gets too easy for abuse, but 4-5 should |
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work. |
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Now if the running mate idea was implemented, there'd be another option |
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as well. Gentoo could continue the policy of runner-up taking the |
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vacancy if one opens (and the runner-up isn't reopen_nominations), or it |
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could switch to the designated proxy aka running mate taking the |
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position. Of course, in the latter case, the running mate would now need |
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to select a proxy, which would then be handled using the approval process |
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mentioned above. (In the former case, the runner-up would have already |
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had a running mate.) |
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If the running mates idea is chosen, a rule could be instituted that |
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there's no person appearing at both voting member and running mate (on |
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another ticket), or it could be that a first person on one ticket could |
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be the running mate on another, but a person could only appear once in |
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each spot. (The latter would presumably end up with pair-tickets, where |
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the top person switches off, tho that wouldn't be a given. In the case |
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of pair-tickets, choosing the one would automatically eliminate the other |
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from further consideration, thereby eliminating the case of two voting |
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council members being each others designated proxy, as well. |
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All this would eliminate the question of whether proxies are up to speed |
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on a given issue, or the briefing they had been given, etc, at least for |
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the first level of proxy, which would now be observer members unless |
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their primary was absent, with the usual expectation and obligation of |
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council members to follow the issues brought before the council. Of |
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course, it would increase the chance of both primary voting member and |
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designated proxy being unavailable, but that could be handled with |
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basically the system we have today, with the additional minimal |
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requirement that non-designated proxies be Gentoo developers in good |
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standing, as they wouldn't have gone thru the vote or approval process. |
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As a new council term is just now starting, obviously the running mate |
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idea couldn't be used this year. However, council members could still |
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choose a designated proxy for the year, thus starting the process. If |
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all council members do so and the council chooses to vote on the table of |
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proxies, then there should be no restriction on who is chosen, since |
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they'll be voted on anyway. If the council as a whole does not choose to |
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go the designated proxy route this year, maintaining the status quo, then |
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I'd say it's unfair to choose a non-dev as a proxy, because there has |
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been no vote approving it. (That would seem to be, after all, the reason |
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the council members as devs restriction wasn't in GLEP 39, because they'd |
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have been voted in, and presumably, if the voters, who /are/ devs, voted |
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in a non-dev, they'd know what they were doing. Since under the current |
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system there's no such approval required for proxies, I'd say it's only |
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fair that they be required to be devs, thus minimizing any controversy |
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over their status, and votes they may take.) |
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Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman |