Patrick Nagel posted on Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:42:40 +0800 as excerpted:
> On 2010-04-08 19:51 UTC Ryan Hill wrote:
>> why are we setting up a user wiki when a very popular one already
>> exists? it seems like a complete duplication of effort. i'm not saying
>> don't do it, i'm just baffled why we would.
> Well, one reason could be, that the "unofficial" one lost its whole
> database once, and there were other multiple multi-day outages in the
> past. I expect an official Wiki to have a reasonable availability and
> not losing most of the content, breaking links all over the net for
In addition to that, various invitations have been and I expect will
continue to be made, to the guy running the current wiki. For whatever
reason(s), he doesn't seem particularly interested in running an official
In some ways I can't say I blame him. There's a lot of politics that goes
into anything Gentoo-official, and it's perfectly sane for someone to love
Gentoo but have no interest whatsoever in jumping thru all those political
hoops he'd ultimately have to jump thru, or being the political pawn the
wiki could likely be if it's as popular and useful as people hope.
Likewise, Gentoo's uncomfortable officially linking to something they
don't control in any way, shape, or form (except to the extent that we
could arguably pull his domain name for trademark reasons, if things got
ugly enough, tho that'd be incredibly bad for EVERYONE, so nobody wants to
Regardless of how justified or not those reasons are, they exist, and are
a practical barrier to the current wiki and owner becoming the official
one. Yet the feeling is, and I as a Gentoo power user agree, we need a
wiki that we can officially point to, a place for documentation that
hasn't made it thru the formal Gentoo-doc and GuideXML process, and may in
fact never rise to that level, but is still valuable.
Also, there's the licensing issue. The current wiki has a non-commercial
clause for its content licensing that doesn't seem appropriate for an
official Gentoo wiki. And no one except the individual content
contributors can change that, so practically speaking, a new wiki without
that clause is needed. Individual contributors can copy their own content
over, of course, and other content can be rewritten, but the content
cannot be wholesale transferred, nor will it be.
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