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On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 23:53 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: |
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> On 2009.06.28 23:14, Ferris McCormick wrote: |
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> > On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:40:00 +0100 |
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> > Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@g.o> wrote: |
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> > > What if an entire meeting and therefore any votes were staffed by |
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> > > entirely by non gentoo developer proxies? |
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> > > Unlikely, but perfectly possible under GLEP39. Would Gentoo feel |
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> > > by decisions that such a meeting reached? |
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> > Currently, yes. |
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> > > Oh. Don't talk about 'common sense' GLEP39 does not mention it, so |
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> > it |
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> > > doesn't count ... and its much rarer than you may think. |
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> > It's worse than that. I think 'common sense' is subjective and thus |
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> > not a useful method of interpretation. Even if one disagrees with |
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> > that |
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> > statement, 'common sense' is certainly cultural (do you suppose |
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> > common |
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> > sense in N. Korea is the same as common sense in S. Korea? I don't |
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> > think so at all.). So, 'common sense' for Gentoo still cannot be all |
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> > that useful a method of interpretation, because Gentoo most certainly |
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> > is multi-cultural. |
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> > > Lastly, as a trustee and partly legally responsible for decisions |
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> > > made on behalf of Gentoo, I am uneasy with the concept of non |
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> > > developers making those decisions. Now reread my 'what if' above |
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> > > with that liability in mind. |
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> > It's not that bad. as long as council meets every two weeks, any |
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> > decision can be undone within 2 weeks (and council can always hold a |
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> > special session. Although under your 'what if' scenario, we have a |
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> > council which does not take its responsibilities very seriously.) |
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> > > Note: Other trustees may have a different view of the world |
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> > I'm sure we all have different views of the world. But I generally |
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> > agree with what you have written here, I think. |
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> You agree that common sense can't be used and admit that a corner case |
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> exists that would in effect have the trustees pointing out to the |
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> council that they had made an error of judgement and need to reverse a |
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> decision that the last meeting made. I would prefer never to have to go |
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> there. |
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I meant that the council can reverse itself. I did not intend to imply |
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any trustee action --- I intended to imply that council should be able |
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to see when they had made an error of judgment. |
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> I do not agree that an all proxy council meeting shows that the council |
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> does not take its responsibilities very seriously, rather that real |
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> life has hit everyone at the same time and they have appointed |
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> proxies. GLEP39 does not even set a limit on the maximum number of |
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> council members who may be proxied at any single meeting. |
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Fair enough. But I don't think such a meeting should ever happen. |
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Surely, council can reschedule a meeting if they see this coming up. :) |
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> As I have already said, I'm against the idea of proxies altogether. |
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> We should amend glep39 to remove proxies and ensure that council |
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> members are drawn from the developer community. Of course, that |
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> does not eliminate the possibility of the trustees pointing out to the |
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> council that they need to reverse a decision but it does ensure that |
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> decisions are made only by council members who are Gentoo developers. |
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> Regards, |
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> Roy Bamford |
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Regards, |
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Ferris |
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Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <fmccor@g.o> |
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Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Userrel, Trustees) |