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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 15:04:21
Message-Id: BANLkTi=+WRyCew-SvCrd6um6OJHDkYaYRg@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: better policy for ChageLogs by Nirbheek Chauhan
1 On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Nirbheek Chauhan <nirbheek@g.o> wrote:
2 > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
3 > <jmbsvicetto@g.o> wrote:
4 >> (c) has irked enough developers and users that people pushed council to
5 >> update the policy about the use of ChangeLogs.
6 >
7 >
8 > Yes, and I'm surprised that these same developers pushed towards a
9 > negative solution (kick productive people out) rather than a positive
10 > solution (move to git).
11
12 Getting developers to follow policy and common sense is a people
13 problem. Git won't fix that - at best it might help with this
14 particular issue but not the next 14 that will come up.
15
16 I'd highly recommend listening to Donnie's "Assholes are killing your
17 project" talk. I think we've come a long way from some of the
18 problems in the past. I think that speaking up on lists when you
19 don't like a policy is healthy for the distro. However, until policy
20 is changed it must be followed - especially for something as trivial
21 as this.
22
23 The second-to-last thing I want to see is productive developers
24 quitting Gentoo over policy frustrations. The last thing I want to
25 see is a culture where anybody just does whatever they want to. Such
26 a culture turns off far more potential future developers than it keeps
27 around. Gentoo is already a very hands-off distro - just about any
28 dev can do just about whatever they want to improve things and we all
29 tend to go along with it as long as they're making a positive
30 contribution. OpenRC is stable, some people are talking about getting
31 systemd working and others swear that they'll never run it, others
32 spend time making Gentoo work on everything from Win32 to BSD to
33 Plan9, and others look to improve the hardened/selinux experience.
34 The number of rules that I'd consider "restrictive" in Gentoo is very
35 small compared to more top-down organizations - we all do what we want
36 and the users get to choose with some basic safeguards to preserve the
37 mainstream experience. There really is no reason to pitch a fit over
38 the few rules we have in the big scheme of things.
39
40 Rich