Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

[Roy Bamford]

On 2010.06.16 16:36, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200
> > Sebastian Pipping<sping@g.o>  wrote:
> >
> >> Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo.
> >>
> >> As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the
> >> atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy.
> >
> > That's a conclusion first, then a premise?
> >
> >> I have searched a few places for rules on tone, looking at the
> Gentoo
> >> Social Contract [1], the Code of Conduct [2] and the Philosophy of
> >> Gentoo [3].  In a way the Code of Conduct defines what good and
> bad
> >> behavior is.  The term "Acceptable behaviour" may make sense as a
> >> counterpart to "Unacceptable behaviour" but feels like "what you
> can
> >> get away with" to me anyhow.
> >
> >>   - How come tone is so rough when we actually meant to be
> >>     a friendly community?  Has it always been that way?
> >
> > What are you referring to? forums.g.o? bugs.g.o? #gentoo? Who,
> where,
> > when, what channel, thread?
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>

Nikos,

As a native English speaker (from England) I view Jers reply as terse 
and to the point, completely lacking in tone.
As Alec has already pointed out, it asks questions that need to be 
asked to advance the discussion.

To add my opinion to the reasons for the tone in gentoo communication 
channels (all of them) ...
1. Many posters are using a language that they are less than fluent in.
2. There are so many ways to say the same thing in English, its easy to 
be misunderstood. Take into account point 1 here.
3. Most contraversially, many of our developers are young and still 
have to develop the social skills that only come with experience. Keep 
in mind points 1 and 2. 

Read age in place of experience if you like but that's not a 
politically correct statement, which is I suppose another issue.

-- 
Regards,

Roy Bamford
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