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From: Stroller <stroller@××××××××××××××××××.uk>
To: stuart@g.o
Cc: gentoo-dev@l.g.o, gentoo-nfp@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] NFP + co-op
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:46:20
Message-Id: CD5A9668-8D7A-11D8-AD11-000A95795F3E@stellar.eclipse.co.uk
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] NFP + co-op by Stuart Herbert
1 On Apr 13, 2004, at 12:03 am, Stuart Herbert wrote:
2
3 > Okay ... am I the only developer who is getting tired with the excuses
4 > we've
5 > been reading tonight in the meeting about why we *still* don't have a
6 > Gentoo
7 > NFP?
8
9 I don't know about devs, but here's one user who thinks NFP status is
10 overdue. Since I wasn't present at the meeting, I'm not aware of what
11 was discussed. Is there a log available..?
12
13 > Oh yeah - and I suppose I should feel offended with Daniel saying that
14 > we
15 > shouldn't be adding value.
16
17 I take it that "adding value" in this context means "adding value to
18 applications above that already provided by the upstream developers",
19 and not "adding perceived value to product so as to increase our
20 margins"..?
21
22 I don't really have much to say about that, except to point out that a
23 distro is all about "adding value" by the former definition - it
24 packages together a bootloader, Linux kernel, core utilities with any
25 other apps, and makes them all work together.
26
27 > Whether Daniel's idea of a co-op or two to raise funds will help speed
28 > up my
29 > webapps work or not I just don't know ...
30
31 This is the first I've heard about Gentoo as co-operative - can anyone
32 clarify. What benefits does that give that cannot be achieved by Gentoo
33 (as a non-profit organisation) simply paying its devs.
34
35 > Daniel, please - we've been going at this for as long as I've been a
36 > dev.
37 > Please get the original, long-promised Not-For-Profit established
38 > before you
39 > do *anything* else. If you need money to pay the costs, we'll get you
40 > the
41 > money. But please - get it done.
42
43 I find the delays over this somewhat confusing. NFP plans were
44 announced nearly a year ago now, and users have had no updates on them.
45 It can't be THAT hard, surely..?
46
47 > I've been asked to direct people to the new gentoo-nfp list, where all
48 > of this
49 > will be discussed.
50
51 Or shoved out of the spotlight that is gentoo-dev, depending upon how
52 you look at it.
53
54 Stroller.
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