Re: [gentoo-dev] DistroWatch and Gentoo packages: status quo and future

[Aaron Bauman]

Sebastian,
	I definitely admire your point and know that through your tracking and Google 
SoC project you have good visibility on this I do however have to disagree.  
As much as I enjoy the open source community and admire the products they put 
out I do believe Gentoo has the right approach to packaging.
	My standpoint is that Gentoo always ensures stability in the fact that we 
require packages to be tested prior to release in the main portage tree and 
secondly the Gentoo developers always ensure security as best as they can.
	These I believe are what keep the portage tree somewhat behind the latest and 
greatest and as always there are overlays and options that allow users to pull 
these packages down if they want.
	I believe the great thing about Gentoo is the choice of whether to be cutting 
edge or not.  If I have missed anything please let me know.

On Friday 11 September 2009 19:02:44 Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> Hello there!
>
>
> Among other information the Gentoo page at DistroWatch [1] displays a
> table on about 200 selected packages [2] and how up to date Gentoo is
> per package.  I assume that DistroWatch is still one of the first places
> people go to get a feeling for a Distro they heard about, besides
> Wikpedia and ${distro}.org.
>
> The freshness of these 200 packages have influence on how people
> perceive Gentoo on DistroWatch.  While the tree as a whole is what we
> should keep as up to date as possible keeping these 200 packages (list
> further down) up to date can therefore be of particular importance.
>
> From a quick look at the table these packages seem to need extra care in
> Gentoo:
>
>   cups (1.4.0)     1.3.11  <-- latest in Gentoo unstable/testing
>   koffice (2.0.2)  1.6.3
>   mysql (5.1.38)   5.0.84
>   perl (5.10.1)    5.8.8
>   php (5.3.0)      5.2.10
>   samba (3.4.1)    3.3.7
>
>
> Packages not found in Gentoo that DistroWatch monitors across discros are:
>
>   apt
>   synaptic
>     .. Debian stuff, that Gentoo does not have packaged
>
>   apache
>   mod_ssl
>     .. Apache 1.x seems gone from Gentoo (I suppose security)
>
>   openjdk
>     .. Not packaged in Gentoo, no idea why
>
>   checkinstall
>   Miro
>     .. Not in official tree (yet?), available through an Overlay
>
>   xmms
>     .. Removed for security reasons, available through an Overlay
>
> Maybe we should move Miro to the main tree?
>
>
> Since today DistroWatch's sources on tree freshness are [3] and [4] as
> they provide more accurate data than previously used sources do.
>
> What is the process to migrate the generating script over to Gentoo
> infrastructure?
>
> See you,
>
>
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> [1] http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gentoo
> [2] http://distrowatch.com/packages.php
> [3] http://www.hartwork.org/public/distrowatch_gentoo_x86_latest_stable.txt
> [4]
> http://www.hartwork.org/public/distrowatch_gentoo_x86_latest_unstable.txt
>
>
> List of all Gentoo packages currently monitored
> ===============================================
> abiword app-office/abiword
> AfterStep x11-wm/afterstep
> alpine mail-client/alpine
> alsa-lib media-libs/alsa-lib
> amarok media-sound/amarok
> apache-tomcat www-servers/tomcat
> ati-driver x11-drivers/ati-drivers
> audacity media-sound/audacity
> autoconf sys-devel/autoconf
> automake sys-devel/automake
> avidemux media-video/avidemux
> banshee media-sound/banshee
> bash app-shells/bash
> bind net-dns/bind
> binutils sys-devel/binutils
> bison sys-devel/bison
> blender media-gfx/blender
> bluefish app-editors/bluefish
> bzip2 app-arch/bzip2
> cdrkit app-cdr/cdrkit
> cinelerra media-video/cinelerra
> compiz x11-wm/compiz
> coreutils sys-apps/coreutils
> cups net-print/cups
> curl net-misc/curl
> cvs dev-util/cvs
> db sys-libs/db
> DeviceKit sys-apps/devicekit
> dhcp net-misc/dhcp
> diffutils sys-apps/diffutils
> digikam media-gfx/digikam
> dillo www-client/dillo
> dosbox games-emulation/dosbox
> dovecot net-mail/dovecot
> doxygen app-doc/doxygen
> e2fsprogs sys-fs/e2fsprogs
> eclipse dev-util/eclipse-sdk
> emacs app-editors/emacs
> enlightenment x11-wm/enlightenment
> epiphany www-client/epiphany
> evolution mail-client/evolution
> exim mail-mta/exim
> fetchmail net-mail/fetchmail
> ffmpeg media-video/ffmpeg
> file sys-apps/file
> findutils sys-apps/findutils
> firebird dev-db/firebird
> firefox www-client/mozilla-firefox
> flex sys-devel/flex
> fluxbox x11-wm/fluxbox
> freetype media-libs/freetype
> f-spot media-gfx/f-spot
> gawk sys-apps/gawk
> gcc sys-devel/gcc
> gettext sys-devel/gettext
> gftp net-ftp/gftp
> ghostscript app-text/ghostscript-gpl
> gimp media-gfx/gimp
> git dev-util/git
> glade dev-util/glade
> glibc sys-libs/glibc
> gnucash app-office/gnucash
> gnumeric app-office/gnumeric
> gnupg app-crypt/gnupg
> gparted sys-block/gparted
> grep sys-apps/grep
> groff sys-apps/groff
> grub sys-boot/grub
> gstreamer media-libs/gstreamer
> gtk+ x11-libs/gtk+
> gzip app-arch/gzip
> hal sys-apps/hal
> httpd www-servers/apache
> icewm x11-wm/icewm
> ImageMagick media-gfx/imagemagick
> inkscape media-gfx/inkscape
> iptables net-firewall/iptables
> jre dev-java/sun-jre-bin
> k3b app-cdr/k3b
> kaffeine media-video/kaffeine
> kdebase kde-base/kde-meta
> kdevelop dev-util/kdevelop
> kdewebdev kde-base/kdewebdev
> koffice app-office/koffice
> krusader kde-misc/krusader
> ktorrent net-p2p/ktorrent
> less sys-apps/less
> lftp net-ftp/lftp
> libgnome gnome-base/libgnome
> libselinux sys-libs/libselinux
> libtool sys-devel/libtool
> libvorbis media-libs/libvorbis
> lighttpd www-servers/lighttpd
> lilo sys-boot/lilo
> links www-client/links
> linux sys-kernel/vanilla-sources
> lvm sys-fs/lvm2
> lxde-common lxde-base/lxde-common
> lynx www-client/lynx
> lyx app-office/lyx
> m4 sys-devel/m4
> MailScanner mail-filter/MailScanner
> make sys-devel/make
> man sys-apps/man
> man-pages sys-apps/man-pages
> mc app-misc/mc
> mod_perl www-apache/mod_perl
> module-init-tools sys-apps/module-init-tools
> mono dev-lang/mono
> MPlayer media-video/mplayer
> mutt mail-client/mutt
> mysql dev-db/mysql
> nautilus gnome-base/nautilus
> ncftp net-ftp/ncftp
> ncurses sys-libs/ncurses
> ndiswrapper net-wireless/ndiswrapper
> nedit app-editors/nedit
> netatalk net-fs/netatalk
> NetBeans dev-util/netbeans
> NetworkManager net-misc/networkmanager
> nmap net-analyzer/nmap
> ntfs-3g sys-fs/ntfs3g
> NVIDIA x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers
> openbox x11-wm/openbox
> openldap net-nds/openldap
> OpenOffice.org app-office/openoffice
> openssh net-misc/openssh
> openssl dev-libs/openssl
> openvas-client net-analyzer/openvas-client
> opera www-client/opera
> parted sys-apps/parted
> perl dev-lang/perl
> php dev-lang/php
> phpMyAdmin dev-db/phpmyadmin
> pidgin net-im/pidgin
> postfix mail-mta/postfix
> postgresql dev-db/postgresql-server
> ppp net-dialup/ppp
> procmail mail-filter/procmail
> proftpd net-ftp/proftpd
> pulseaudio media-sound/pulseaudio
> Python dev-lang/python
> qcad sci-misc/qcad
> qemu app-emulation/qemu
> qpopper net-mail/qpopper
> qt-x11 x11-libs/qt
> reiserfsprogs sys-fs/reiserfsprogs
> rpm app-arch/rpm
> rp-pppoe net-dialup/rp-pppoe
> rsync net-misc/rsync
> ruby dev-lang/ruby
> samba net-fs/samba
> sane-backends media-gfx/sane-backends
> scim app-i18n/scim
> screen app-misc/screen
> scribus app-office/scribus
> seamonkey www-client/seamonkey
> sed sys-apps/sed
> sendmail mail-mta/sendmail
> snort net-analyzer/snort
> SpamAssassin mail-filter/spamassassin
> sqlite dev-db/sqlite
> squid net-proxy/squid
> squirrelmail mail-client/squirrelmail
> subversion dev-util/subversion
> sylpheed mail-client/sylpheed
> sysvinit sys-apps/sysvinit
> tar app-arch/tar
> tcl dev-lang/tcl
> tcpdump net-analyzer/tcpdump
> texinfo sys-apps/texinfo
> texlive app-text/texlive
> thunderbird mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird
> tightvnc net-misc/tightvnc
> udev sys-fs/udev
> util-linux sys-apps/util-linux
> vim app-editors/vim
> VirtualBox app-emulation/virtualbox-ose
> vlc media-video/vlc
> vnc net-misc/vnc
> vsftpd net-ftp/vsftpd
> webmin app-admin/webmin
> wget net-misc/wget
> wicd net-misc/wicd
> WindowMaker x11-wm/windowmaker
> wine app-emulation/wine
> wireshark net-analyzer/wireshark
> xchat net-irc/xchat
> xen app-emulation/xen
> xfce xfce-base/xfce4-meta
> xfsprogs sys-fs/xfsprogs
> xine-lib media-libs/xine-lib
> xinetd sys-apps/xinetd
> xorg-server x11-base/xorg-server
> yaboot sys-boot/yaboot
> yum sys-apps/yum
> zlib sys-libs/zlib
> Zope net-zope/zope
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