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On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 18:05, Wesley Leggette wrote: |
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> On Sat, 2003-05-03 at 05:05, Martin Schlemmer wrote: |
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> > On Sat, 2003-05-03 at 11:08, Wouter van Kleunen wrote: |
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> > > Yes. I have thought of adding a script-service. But i removed it, because |
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> > > i do not like scripts. I agree that they are convenient for executing a |
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> > > collection of commands, but bash is a very weak programming language. |
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> > > I will think about adding scripts. Maybe just to lower the difference |
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> > > between my init and sysvinit. But rather not bash, bash is ugly :-( |
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> > > it would be nice if people wrote more scripts using functional languages. |
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> > > (haskell, miranda, etc...) |
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> > Point is, where say 80% people can code in sh/bash, much less can do |
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> > that in python, haskell, whatever. Thus dropping the 'user' interface |
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> > to the init system being in bash/sh, will make it unusable for many |
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> > users. |
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> Oh come on. Like XML is really than difficult. I'm sure 80% know the |
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> syntax, and Wouter's keywords are a lot simpler than Bash's. Besides, |
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> 80% is completly off for people who know bash (and XML syntax too). |
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> Let's face it. Wouter's XML is a lot easier for newbies to learn. It has |
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> actual english in it. I don't see why everyone is so defensive about |
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> their beloved bash scripts. |
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Why are you so defensive about XML ? Anyhow, you missed the point |
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totally, as I have not even talked about XML. |
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> > Having the startup scripts/modules binary though, means you cannot |
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> > do quick changes, etc as well. |
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> > And like many others did say, python/whatever have too large |
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> > dependencies. For example, having python initscripts will make |
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> > an initrd/diet_system a PITA to get running. |
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> > Having SVC support build into init, now that is a reason why I would |
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> > change init. |
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> > Another question that bothers me ... if everybody is so against bash |
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> > being slow, why don't they spent time to get bash's IO more optimised? |
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> > For example, getting bash to read the whole script, and then executing |
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> > it, and not reading line by line should already add much improvement. |
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> > Anyhow, just a few quick thoughts, |
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Martin Schlemmer |
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Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop/System Team Developer |
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Cape Town, South Africa |
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