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Alistair Bush wrote:
> 
> 
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>> On 19:18 Mon 02 Mar     , Alistair Bush wrote:
>>> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>>
>> Could you explain what you see as the important difference that makes
>> package.mask bad and a separate overlay good?
>>
> 
> Contributors sometimes have difficulty following standards (hell even
> dev's do).  I have little confidence that would also be able to actually
> add packages to package.mask without breaking anything else.
> As an example we had a contributor break the manifests of a dozen or so
> packages because he updated the Copyright header then couldn't get the
> ebuild to manifest.  I can imagine someone committing dev-java/ant-core
> to the file.  That and there are 325 ebuilds [1] in java-experimental.
> Masking even 1/2 of them separately would be a complete nightmare.
> 
> I also note that sunrise doesn't seem to do this either.
> 
> Also no ebuilds are ever marked stable,  so it should be easy for
> someone to just add an entry in their package.keywords file.
> 
> And what is stopping a user from wanting to have their own overlay, that
> uses java-overlay ( or java-experimental or any other overlay )
> packages.  Are we to say that we shouldn't allow tools to have support
> for this.  I think that it is a nature progression that if we are to
> allow overlays to extend the portage tree that we should allow overlays
> to extend other overlays.
> 
> [1] java-experimental $ find . -iname '*.ebuild' | wc -l
> 

To put some perspective from KDE side:

find /home/gentoo-cvs/kde-git/kde -iname *9999.ebuild | wc -l
330

Also, having separate overlays would allow one to do experimental stuff
with eclasses in the experimental overlay without affecting users of the
base overlay. Until we get versioned eclasses, I don't see how one can
do that with a single overlay.
Last, but not least, as Alistair explained, mixing everything together
confuses users. We've had a few issues with users because of that. In
fact, that was the main reason to start the whole package.mask as a dir
deal.

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Regards,

Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org
Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / SPARC / KDE
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