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I agree with your reasoning. I support the cutting of the JRE (actually |
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I don't think I've downloaded the JRE since 1.2) |
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-Riyad |
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From: Dylan Carlson [mailto:absinthe@g.o] |
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Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:49 PM |
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To: gentoo-dev@g.o |
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Subject: [gentoo-dev] JRE support - is it worth it? |
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Greetings, |
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This is not an RFC, per se, but I am posting this with the general |
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purpose of soliciting discussion. This might be a controversial |
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subject, so I think it warrants some conversation before it reaches the |
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level of an RFC. |
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I have talked with a couple of people the idea of dropping JRE support |
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in Gentoo. The reasons this idea came about: |
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1. Gentoo is a source-based distribution. We have Java-based packages |
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that build from source for the same reason that have C packages that |
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build from source. Yet, it's unthinkable to have a system without a C |
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compiler. Thus it should be almost as unthinkable to have a system |
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without a Java compiler. |
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2. Few people actually use a JRE inside of Gentoo for the above reason |
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(if |
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any) ... yet of course reliable statistics on this are not available. |
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Furthermore, some packages require a JDK to run, namely servlet engines, |
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development environments, and rare apps that depend on the JDK without |
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actually compiling/debugging anything. |
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3. Jikes will compile most things, but not everything. Furthermore, |
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Jikes lacks a javadoc tool, among other things. So it's not suitable to |
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have a JRE + Jikes combination, though in theory that might be possible |
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someday. |
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User impact to the above idea: |
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1. Download & install size: Using 1.4 as our example, JRE's are about |
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22MB download. JDKs are about 42MB. It's also safe to assume that the |
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JDKs also occupy roughly twice the disk space, though I don't have |
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specifics on it for this email. |
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2. Reduced complexity in java-config(1), simplifies the nature of Java |
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ebuilds for both Gentoo developers and users submitting ebuilds alike. |
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3. Reduced QA burden. |
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I would like to hear your thoughts on this. |
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Cheers, |
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Dylan Carlson |
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