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On 06/19/2010 09:10 AM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: |
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> I think that is the point. Is just not being actively hostile a success? |
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Given our past, yes. Given the size of our project, yes. The sheer size |
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of the project guarantees that not everybody will like everyone. They |
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merely get along and no thread will change that fact. Maybe a developer |
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get-together like they happen here in the German conspiracy and |
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elsewhere will, but that's not something you can force-feed others. |
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> Moreover, we don't just want to get along with ourselves. We want to |
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> encourage other people to join our community. |
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I want and will train people who want to scratch their personal |
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(technical) itches in gentoo to become a developer. "Joining the |
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community", otoh, takes as much as a /join #gentoo or logging into the |
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forums. Yes, you can do that just for fun and that's totally fine. If |
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something prevents users from "joining the community" in this way, |
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UserRel should have a look at it. Nothing new here. |
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But all examples of "tone" I've seen in this lengthy thread revolve |
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around developer (particularly infra/devrel) communications. As has been |
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said before, the two should not be confused, as they are different |
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problems and have different solutions. |
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As for the latter problem, Jorge and Patrick have said all there is to |
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say about the issue. |
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> What we should improve, are the human communication skills (including |
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> mine, eh). |
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This is nothing "we" can improve. I can't magically improve anyone's |
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communication skill (and hell, I wish someone could fix mine!). Everyone |
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decides if that's something he or she wants or needs to work on and how. |
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Personally, I've observed that leading by example works best here. |
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So please join me in killing some bugs (gently) today, kthx? |