On 06/19/2010 09:10 AM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> I think that is the point. Is just not being actively hostile a success?
Given our past, yes. Given the size of our project, yes. The sheer size
of the project guarantees that not everybody will like everyone. They
merely get along and no thread will change that fact. Maybe a developer
get-together like they happen here in the German conspiracy and
elsewhere will, but that's not something you can force-feed others.
> Moreover, we don't just want to get along with ourselves. We want to
> encourage other people to join our community.
I want and will train people who want to scratch their personal
(technical) itches in gentoo to become a developer. "Joining the
community", otoh, takes as much as a /join #gentoo or logging into the
forums. Yes, you can do that just for fun and that's totally fine. If
something prevents users from "joining the community" in this way,
UserRel should have a look at it. Nothing new here.
But all examples of "tone" I've seen in this lengthy thread revolve
around developer (particularly infra/devrel) communications. As has been
said before, the two should not be confused, as they are different
problems and have different solutions.
As for the latter problem, Jorge and Patrick have said all there is to
say about the issue.
> What we should improve, are the human communication skills (including
> mine, eh).
This is nothing "we" can improve. I can't magically improve anyone's
communication skill (and hell, I wish someone could fix mine!). Everyone
decides if that's something he or she wants or needs to work on and how.
Personally, I've observed that leading by example works best here.
So please join me in killing some bugs (gently) today, kthx?