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On Saturday 12 November 2011 20:26:54 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: |
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> Joshua Saddler schrieb: |
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> > if net-tools isn't being dropped from the system set, don't force our |
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> > users to install redundant utilities. |
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> ip is not redundant. You need it for e.g. GRE tunnels. |
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for basic setups, it is completely redundant. which is the only case we're |
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talking about here. |
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> net-tools uses the old /proc/net/dev interface, while iproute uses |
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> netlink. This is very much like wireless extensions vs. cfg80211, where |
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> the old interface is still around for legacy compatibility but won't |
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> receive updates for new features. Eventually, you want to get rid of all |
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> /proc/net/dev and wext stuff in order to have a legacy-free system. |
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considering the tools work fine for the use cases we're talking about, and |
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there are no plans i know of to ever have these interfaces go away, and there |
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are no significant (or any at all?) efforts to replace all of net-tools. |
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> I would be very much in favour of not installing net-tools by default as |
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> soon as openrc switches to iproute. However I think this would make many |
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> users unhappy so has to be carefully prepared and users educated first. |
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> Debian has set this goal in 2007[1] and they have not reached it yet. |
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you keep saying "net-tools" when you actually mean "ifconfig". the net-tools |
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package provides quite a bit more than the common ifconfig/route/iptunnel tools |
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which ip replaces and for which there are no replacements. |
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-mike |
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