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From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@...>
Subject: Re: udev and /usr
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:03:06 +0000 (UTC)
Joost Roeleveld posted on Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:33:18 +0200 as excerpted:

> On Thursday, September 15, 2011 09:31:45 PM Luca Barbato wrote:
>> On 15/09/2011 16:33, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
>> > 
>> > Not sure if you are aware of the discussions on the gentoo-user list
>> > about the upcoming change where systemd and udev require /usr to be
>> > available prior to starting of udev.
>> 
>> systemd seems more and more just a support burden for no gain...
> 
> Myself and a lot of others on the gentoo-user list agree with this.
> Especially as there are plenty of installations where udev works without
> /usr mounted.

As a kde user[1] I tend to agree, but I'm increasingly seeing talk on the 
gnome side of the "Gnome OS", to include pulse-audio, systemd, policykit, 
udev/u* (thus forcing lvm as well, at least lvm installation tho nothing 
forces one to use it... yet, since lvm is required for udisks), etc.

Legitimate question, primarily for the gentoo/gnome folks I guess.  I 
simply don't know how it's to work but am honestly rather fearful for the 
traditional Gentoo policy of letting the local sysadmin decide such 
things:

How serious is this talk, how integrated are they actually talking, and 
what are the implications for Gentoo's Gnome users?  Is gnome 3.5 or 4.0 
or whatever going to require pulse-audio and systemd, on ANY 
distribution, even Gentoo?  If not, how much hacking is going to be 
required by the gentoo/gnome folks to keep those sorts of choices for 
Gentoo users?  Will gentoo simply drop gnome as an option if it forces 
the issue, or ???

It may be that this is already sorted on the gnome side, or that all this 
talk of gnome-os is simply hot-air, but like I said, I'm a kde user, so I 
wouldn't know, tho I'm concerned about its implications for the rest of 
us (including kde, since it might well end up with similar 
requirements).  And I've not yet seen it mentioned in the gentoo 
implications context, so I'm compelled to ask.

---
[1] Tho the kde side seems headed the same direction, but at a somewhat 
slower pace and with a bit more of a reputation for at least /some/ 
respect of user choice, so I expect the issue to come up first and worst 
with gnome, and gentoo/kde to be able to follow the precedent, to some 
degree.

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman



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Re: Re: udev and /usr
-- Rich Freeman
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udev and /usr
-- Joost Roeleveld
Re: udev and /usr
-- Luca Barbato
Re: udev and /usr
-- Joost Roeleveld
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