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From: hasufell <hasufell@g.o>
Subject: Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 18:27:51 +0200
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On 05/29/2012 05:23 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:57 AM, hasufell <hasufell@g.o>
> wrote:
>> I am against too many defaults. It's documented and people can 
>> activate it. I'm already annoyed by pre-set stuff like "cups" in 
>> releases/make.defaults.
> 
> While universal agreement is a bit much to hope for, I just wanted
> to point out that fewer defaults is really just an illusion.
> 
> There is ALWAYS a default, anytime you have an option.  The
> default might be one thing, or it might be another, but there is
> ALWAYS a default.  My thinking is that our defaults should
> generally reflect the most mainstream or least-surprising behavior,
> especially where there are upstream projects.  in the case of
> portage, we are the upstream, so we should do whatever is most
> useful and least obnoxious to our users.
> 
> If you're running something other than a generic desktop/server,
> there will always be a need to tweak things.
> 
> Rich
> 

Well then let my clarify: I'm against too many pre-set (meaning
"activated") features/useflags.

That's probably a seperate discussion, but I myself would expect the
_default_ profile/config to have almost nothing activated. No
useflags, no features etc.

That may imply that this default is "broken", but it takes more time
to do reverse-configuration while looking for things that someone
considered "sane" and has set for your "convenience".

I discovered this the first time I set up a blank chroot and got a
load of stuff pulled in by some trivial emerges. Some set by already
mentioned releases/make.defaults and similar, some set by ebuilds etc.

What you do with other profiles is a completely different topic,
because I'm not forced to use them.

means: I don't like the fact that I have to set
FEATURES="-foobar"
or
USE="-foobar"

That should almost never be the case (unless I set some globally and
unset some locally or use desktop-profiles etc).

am I offtopic already? Hope you got the point though.
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Replies:
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- Ralph Sennhauser
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- Jeff Horelick
References:
RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- Zac Medico
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- Agostino Sarubbo
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- Michał Górny
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- Rich Freeman
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- hasufell
Re: RFC: Enable FEATURES="userpriv usersandbox" by default?
-- Rich Freeman
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