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From: Grant Goodyear <g2boojum@g.o>
Subject: seeds, GLEPs, and projects
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:55:02 -0500
For whatever it's worth, I rather like the Gentoo Seeds project,
although I'm more interested in nice tools to make the seeds, than
in having pre-existing seeds.

Ciaranm has argued that the project really should have been GLEPped.
Although I wouldn't have opposed such a GLEP, it's not clear to me that
a GLEP is the right format here.  Underlying a GLEP is the notion that
somebody is going to have to approve it.  By our current policies,
anybody is welcome to start a new project (we welcome innovation, after
all), and if the effort underway doesn't involve other projects then the
only approval needed would be the project leader, which would be the
person who created the project, which would seem a bit silly.
Of course, nothing would stop somebody from posting an RFC to -dev
essentially in the same format as a GLEP, however.

Of course, what ciaranm and others are really suggesting is that before
there's an announcement that Gentoo has an official project to do blah,
it might be nice to get some feedback from the community first.  If we
(being Gentoo) say that we're going to do something, and then things
fall through, it might make us look bad, after all.  In this case,
though, it's not clear to me what stuart should have done differently.
He didn't issue a press release (unless I'm missing something), he sent
an e-mail to -dev announcing that he had created a new project and
described the purpose of that project.  If it had been me, I probably
would have sent an e-mail letting people know that I was seriously
thinking about creating such a project, pointed out that it was
experimental, and given people a (brief!) period of time to complain
before went ahead and pushed the button, but it's not clear to me that
any of that was actually required.  (I would like to suggest that it is
more courteous, though, not to surprise our devs w/ something new if a
more gentle introduction can be managed.)

To some extent, we're back to determining what the word "official" means
in these cases.  My goal in making projects easy to create was to
support innovative ideas.  Most innovative ideas don't pan out, however,
so a corollary has to be that just because a project exists (and thus is
somehow "official") doesn't mean that anything useful will come out of
it, nor that what does come out of it will be supported by the community
as a whole.  If we need to change things to make that reality more clear, I'm
certainly willing to listen to suggestions. 

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