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From: Mike Frysinger <vapier@g.o>
Subject: Re: sys-libs/ncurses: punted from system in profiles
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:04:37 -0500
On Tuesday 06 December 2011 11:50:52 Alec Warner wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> >> ncurses is no longer part of the system deps.  in practice, this
> >> probably won't make a difference to most people since bash itself
> >> depends on ncurses, but it does make embedded/etc... simpler.
> > 
> > Hmm, I wonder how much further we'll have to go before you could use
> > portage to build an initramfs.  :)
> 
> Whatever man, look at all this bloat!
> 
> virtual/ssh

i think ssh is so prevalent in today's world that it should be a default on 
all Gentoo systems.  the people who are building standalone systems to the 
point where they don't want ssh in/out are enough of a minority (in my 
educated guess) that they can go through the hassle of:
	mkdir -p /etc/portage/profile/
	echo net-misc/openssh-0 >> /etc/portage/profile/package.provided

what might be interesting is if we had a "Gentoo default" set which is what 
would come in a stage3 rather than the current "stage3 is the system set".  
then we could move virtual/ssh out of the system set and into the "Gentoo 
default" set so it'd be easier for people to drop/etc...  but i'm not familiar 
enough with the portage support atm to say how feasible such an idea would be.

> sys-apps/kbd

this controls keyboard mappings and fonts on the console.  while the default 
is probably OK for the USians, most everyone else wants to tweak these.

> sys-apps/texinfo

i personally detest info pages, but we end up needing texinfo by many many 
packages just to *build* the info pages.  and there are some info pages which 
are vastly superior to the man pages (if any are provided) because the GNU 
project has the policy of "info pages are the one true documentation format".  
compare & contrast `man gdb` to `info gdb` or `man make` vs `info make`.
-mike
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