On 17-09-2010 17:33, Alex Alexander wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 03:52:03PM +0100, Markos Chandras wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:51:52PM +0200, Maciej Mrozowski wrote:
>>> On Friday 17 of September 2010 12:41:51 Angelo Arrifano wrote:
>>>> Every single QA commit review coming into my Inbox during the past week
>>>> was directed to arfrever. I *know* he is on probation, I *know* he made
>>>> mistakes - in fact every one makes mistakes. But you guys are hammering
>>>> all over him for picky stuff.
>>>> Remind you that while it is a pleasure to be member of Gentoo, we are
>>>> not your slaves; we chose to spend our free time contributing to Gentoo
>>>> for several reasons - fun, knowledge and team work. Satisfying somebody
>>>> else's flavors and wishes is certainly *not* one of them.
>>>> I never had the chance to talk with arfrever, nor I ever looked to his
>>>> work at Gentoo. But there is one thing I definitely got right, he has a
>>>> lot of motivation to continue in Gentoo and *offer* his time and
>>>> knowledge, otherwise he would just raise the middle finger and go away
>>>> after all of this bashing.
>>> The other important thing is such "lecturing" should probably take place in
>>> private, like gentoo-core.
>> Well, Angelo is quite right for posting in this ML because QA members
>> wants anything to be publicly visible. Angelo, I do agree with you. It
>> seems like everyone is forcing himself to find mistakes on Arfrevers
>> commits even the slightest one. Whilst I do agree that pointing the
>> mistakes is a good thing, however I am totally against targeting one
>> person just to satisfy our ego. So I you spot a commit mistake and
>> report it via the ML make sure you do it again when someone != Arfrever
>> do it in the future.
>> Markos Chandras (hwoarang)
>> Gentoo Linux Developer
>> Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org
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> I don't think ego has anything to do with this. Arfrever brought this on
> himself. His [multiple] past mistakes and lack of cooperation are
> forcing the other devs to screen all his commits now, to make sure
> history doesn't repeat itself.
«forcing other devs to screen all his commits now» - like torture and
That's exactly what I feel it is entirely wrong. It just makes Gentoo
Anyway, I think QA should keep their commit acceptability threshold in
the same level for everyone. Of course this is easier to say than to do,
we are humans after all, and feelings are always involved.
Usually, personal interference is avoided by making the review process
blind. That is, the person that commits would remain anonymous during
the QA review process, but this is hard to apply in practice.
> Angelo, while I agree with your general thoughts on why everyone is
> contributing, I believe you should have gathered more intel before
> sending an email like this. We do respect Arfrever's motivation, we just
> need to make sure it translates to good, trustworthy work. If we didn't,
> his request to return to Gentoo would have been denied.