Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

[Stephen P. Becker]

Brian Harring wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 10:37:21PM -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
>> Carsten Lohrke wrote:
>>> On Sunday 03 September 2006 16:36, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
>>>> I am not adding stuff. I am fixing existing packages. And I am taking
>>>> responsibility.
>>> How wonderful this sort of "maintenance" is you can read here:
>>>
>>> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146626
>>>
>>> Am I the only one who has a problem with this?
>> I find this not at all surprising considering that one of his recent
>> mentees failed so many of the ebuild quiz questions so badly as to be
>> outright denied (which is not at all the recruit's fault).  In any case,
>> if you don't appreciate Stefan "taking responsibility" for stuff which
>> he has no business touching in the first place, you have every right to
>> tell him to piss off.
>
> Maybe I'm just a moron (well, likely I am), but why are you two
> posting this shit on the dev ml?
>
> Conflict for a change, fine, carlo go revert it.
>
> Crazy notion, but it's a one minute revert, yes it's not your mess but
> it is your package and _your_ users, leaving your users hanging
> because you're trying to make genstef clean something up screws the
> users over.

So what is wrong with making people accountable for stuff which *they* 
broke?

>
> The proper forum for crap like this is via taking it up with
> QA/devrel.
>
> Screaming about a change on the ml doesn't accomplish anything more
> then making you look like a jack ass trying to publically embarass
> someone you're pissed at; at least carlo has a reason, stephen you're
> just being an asshole.

Yes, I am, because it pisses me off when people outright break things 
because they had no clue what they were doing.  Furthermore, he did 
break mips with that change, so that makes it my business to whip out 
the cluestick.  My previous email was intended to show that he doesn't 
seem to have any idea what he was doing.

>
> Further, Stephen shouldn't even know about a candidates failing, let
> alone go stating it on a public ml.
>
> Really nice one there; someone tries to help, deemed not yet skilled
> enough to have access to the tree, and you're bringing it up as a way
> to take potshots at genstef.

Note that I have no idea who this person is, and that I also stated it 
is not their fault at all.  Pretty much anybody is capable of learning 
the skills required to have access to the tree.  Failing the ebuild quiz 
is a reflection on the mentor, which was my point.

>
> Further, you're taking a potshot at a dev candidate who via going
> through the process was at least *trying* to contribute, even if they
> didn't pass the quiz.

No, I'm not, see above.  I encourage this candidate to keep 
contributing, and to ask questions of anybody who can help.

>
> Carlo, go talk to devrel, stephen, go do your monthly mips stabling.
> Meanwhile spare us the idiocy, and do something productive.

That's a funny statement, coming from you.

>
> Screaming on a ml won't solve the conflict, just makes the screamer
> look childish.

That's an even funnier statement, coming from you.

-Steve
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