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Alright, |
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seeing that things are getting out of hand again, let me reply as a |
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member of the userrel team. |
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: |
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> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:55:02 -0600 |
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> Denis Dupeyron <calchan@g.o> wrote: |
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>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Ciaran |
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>> McCreesh<ciaran.mccreesh@××××××××××.com> wrote: |
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>>> I contribute productively and usefully |
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>> This should have gone in private but I want it to be public because |
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>> you and others apparently do not get it. |
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> No, this needs to be in public. You're trying to 'reform', but you're |
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> going about it completely the wrong way. Rather than addressing the |
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> problems and fixing them, you're trying to bury them. |
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> Moving conversations in private and making channels +m does not fix the |
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> root cause. It just allows those who are trying to disrupt things to |
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> get their way. |
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>> The fact that you're contributing or not does not give you or anybody |
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>> else the right to behave improperly on our mailing lists, forums, or |
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>> else. There is no amount of contribution that would compensate for |
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>> even the slightest inadequate behavior. Please everybody, print that |
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>> and pin it above your monitor. |
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You and everyone else is entitled to an opinion and Gentoo has showed |
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time and again to be a very open community allowing people to |
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participate in discussions. |
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However, as Denis was pointing out, no amount of contribution entitles |
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anyone (developer or not) to abuse our communication mediums and act |
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inappropriately. |
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> So say someone were to say "My aim is to make every project you're |
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> associated with fail, and to disrupt everything you do in any way I |
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> can", and then repeatedly pop up and start posting nonsense. What would |
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> a proper response be? |
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> Bear in mind that "ignore them" is not an answer, since ignoring them |
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> leads to their stated aim of disrupting things to succeed. The Council |
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> has on several occasions postponed and rejected proposals because the |
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> trolls haven't been answered. |
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As Denis has already stated we're not interested in the disputes between |
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you, paludis, exherbo and some other users or projects (funtoo?). |
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This ml is about Gentoo not about your (ciaranm, igli, trelane, etc) pet |
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projects. |
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>>> repeated pot-shots from the peanut gallery. |
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>> Thanks for the good example. Please, you and everybody else, note that |
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>> this above is considered abrasive by most of us. |
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> I'd call that an entirely appropriate description of the behaviour of a |
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> small group of people who have taken to deliberately disrupting |
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> everything they can in some way connect to me. If you feel that's |
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> inappropriate, please provide what you feel would be a better |
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> description of the following: |
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As you know very well, quite a few people would qualify your own |
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behaviour at times like that. So this is one of those cases that you |
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should start by looking at the mirror. |
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<snip> |
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We all have plenty examples of your bad behaviour, so let's not go down |
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that route. |
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>>> Steve pops up every now and again and tries to disrupt things. |
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>> You do the exact same in you own way. Please allow me to take that |
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>> beam from your eye. |
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> No, my goal is to help give Gentoo the progress it needs. There is a |
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> huge difference between that and having a stated aim of trying to make |
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> projects fail. |
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Some people seem to think that the best way for Gentoo to progress as |
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they would like, they need to ensure that you don't get to influence |
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Gentoo as they consider your proposals compromise Gentoo's future. |
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But again, we (Gentoo developers and community) are getting tired of all |
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the "bile" flying around. Please stop with that. |
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- -- |
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Regards, |
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Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org |
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Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / SPARC / KDE |
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