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From: Thomas Sachau <tommy@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Amount of useflags enabled by default
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:36:00
Message-Id: 4AE32CE6.6060104@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Amount of useflags enabled by default by Alistair Bush
1 Alistair Bush schrieb:
2 >> Hi,
3 >>
4 >> i would like to start a discussion about reducing the amount of
5 >> default-enabled USE flags in profiles, especially in inherited basic
6 >> profiles.
7 >
8 > Sounds like a reasonable idea to me, for the base profiles at least.
9
10 Sure. If we have a desktop/kde subprofile, noone should complain, if that profile enables kde
11 specific USE flags. On the other hand, if i just want a desktop without kde, i dont want to be
12 forced to either choose a none-desktop profile and enable many USE flags by hand or using the
13 desktop profile and disabling many USE flags by hand.
14
15 >
16 >> In addition, i see a trend to enabled more more more USE flags (either over
17 >> profiles or via IUSE +flag). Whats the reason for forcing a big load of
18 >> default enabled USE flags on every user including more dependencies, more
19 >> compile time, more wasted disk space and more possible vulnerabilities
20 >> except some users, who complain about a missing feature and are not able
21 >> to think and enable a USE flag for that feature?
22 >>
23 >
24 > ".... who complain about a enabled feature and are not able to think and
25 > disable a USE flag for that feature?"
26 >
27 > What a couple of changes make....
28
29 I dont mind, if a flag is really usefull and requested by a big majority of the users. But as Gentoo
30 is about choice, the minority should be able to easily choose something else, e.g. by a less
31 heavyweight profile. If a majority of mplayer users want to be able to play audio files, i dont mind
32 to disable it for myself, if i dont want it. But on the other hand shouldnt a handfull of users be
33 able to dictate the enabled and disabled USE flags for many other users, which might have a
34 different interest.
35
36 >
37 > It would be nice if we actually documented why they were enabled. Does the
38 > use flag enable significant functionality that would otherwise make the software
39 > less useful.
40
41 Documentation is always usefull. One should also check the additional overhead of the USE flag.
42
43 >
44 > I believe we should be trying to find a nice 'middle of the road' balance. DE
45 > "related" use flags should be enabled in profiles ( unless of coarse they
46 > package is already DE related e.g if a kde package has a use flag for kde's
47 > sound system, this could be enabled at a package level while a package with a
48 > kde use flag should not default enable it.).
49
50 I aggree.
51
52
53 --
54 Thomas Sachau
55
56 Gentoo Linux Developer

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Amount of useflags enabled by default Ed W <lists@××××××××××.com>