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To: Jeff Rose <rosejn@...>
From: "Derek J. Belrose" <derek@...>
Subject: Re: GUI installer
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:36:12 -0400
I haven't had any problems with wxPython, and it should be pretty simple 
straight through.  I do think limiting the stage 3 to X11 is kind of 
presumptuious though.  My Blade 100 doesn't have a monitor hooked up, so 
an X11 install would in fact limit me to a Stage 2 or 1 install.

Anyway, once we get the CLI part, we should be able to design a decent 
gui around it.

I want to start a thread on what a gui/cli package manager should do, 
what info to present, etc.

Jeff Rose wrote:

>Alright, we are narrowing in.  I think starting with a CLI installer makes
>sense because it will allow us to work on the true installation issues
>rather than getting bogged down in gui code.  Lets use python.  That will
>let us to use both Cursing Cow and Anaconda as great resources for just
>about every step of the installation.  Once we feel like everything runs
>smoothly on a variety of boxes then we can work on putting a gui on top.
>(I think wxPython is the best solution.  Its clean, quick and extensive.
>We could even use a gui builder to quickly experiment with a variety of
>interface options.)  Anyway, that is for later.
>	Building the installer as a set of install/configuration modules
>is a great idea.  Lets start with defining those modules, and then we can
>work on common code etc. before digging in.
>	I propose that we break this whole idea into 3 main sections.
>(Note: This has nothing to do with the stage1,2,3 tarballs.)
>First, we need the basic gentoo installation:
>- partitioning and file systems (RAID support? SCSI cards?)
>- nic detection and module loading (Pretty much complete?)
>- dns, routing, firewall stuff
>- date & time
>- keyboard, mouse, language
>- cpu detection and compiler flags
>- mounting partitions and getting stage tarball setup
>- password & hostname
>- fstab
>- bootloader setup (interfaces to lilo and/or grub)
>	Once the basic system is installed we move into part 2,
>initial Portage system installation and configuration:
>- Portage tree sync
>- Setting use flags
>- Kernel configuration
>- build
>	Now we have a basic system installed.  We can reboot into our new
>kernel and start the final, most difficult, stage of installation: package
>selection.  Rather than just copying everyone else and making large lists,
>lets try to make this more intuitive.  Maybe we could have a few bundles
>that people can select to get rolling quickly, but full control should
>still given to the user.  Personally, I would rather just get a
>working gnome/kde installation and then use a gui selection tool rather
>than some clunky ncurses thing.  Maybe we could have a very lightweight
>CLI manager that lets you select gnome, kde or just cli.  If they use
>gnome or kde then we give them a slick gui manager once X starts up.  If
>they use cli then they are probably setting up a server and they can deal
>with using emerge as is.
>	After looking through a bunch of code I agree we should really try
>to use a lot of the existing stuff to get things started.  The LiveCD
>pretty much does all the very initial stuff.  After that we can use the
>cursing cow work to put together the install stage1 and part of stage2.
>For stage 3, I think we should build a python gui (wxPython?) that doesn't
>use kde or gnome specifically.  This is where a lot of the experimentation
>will need to go.
>Whooh...  What do you say?  I'll be graduating in a month so I won't be
>able to work a whole lot until the summer begins, but I think we should
>try to refine this idea/design a lot before diving in and hacking out
>something that just works.
> On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Alain Penders wrote:
>>The main installer that was being worked on is Cursing Cow.  Both developers
>>that were working on it recently left Gentoo, however.
>>If someone wanted to continue it's development, we probably can get the
>>information needed from them.  From what I know, it's in pretty good
>>condition...  part of it needed to be rewritten, but nothing major.
>>There's at least one (I think two) other installers in CVS, but I have no idea
>>on their status or where they were left at.
>>Building a good installer goes beyond installing Gentoo.  For example, if the
>>installer has a module to configure networking, that module should be written
>>so that it works in the installer, but also in an after-install system
>>configuration tool.   Installers also need to be able to handle updates or
>>"corrective installs", which means integration with configuration file
>>On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 05:04:10PM -0600, Jeff Rose wrote:
>>>	I'm pretty new to gentoo, but I am an instant convert.  Just a
>>>few months of emerge bliss and now I'm an avid supporter.  Anyway, I'm
>>>thinking about starting a summer project and I'm pondering the idea of a
>>>gui installer.  I've been looking around a bit and it doesn't look like
>>>anyone is working on one.  Is that true?  If there isn't already a project
>>>then I think I'll give it a whirl.  I know, I know, gentoo is so great
>>>because it allows you to customize and tweak the hell out of everything.
>>>That is completely true.  So, an installer would have to allow just as
>>>much but it could take care of the mundane details for those who aren't
>>>interested or knowledgable enough.
>>>	I haven't been around to see what people discuss in terms of the
>>>installer so I'm sorry if this is all stuff that you have gone over
>>>hundreds of times.  Even more minimal than a gui installer, have you
>>>thought about adding more scripts to do the standard directory setup,
>>>download, chroot... type of stuff?
>>>	What do you think?
>>>gentoo-dev@g.o mailing list
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