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From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@××××××××××.com>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk3 useflag and support of older toolkits
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:13:05
Message-Id: 20120611180828.51dbddcd@googlemail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk3 useflag and support of older toolkits by Nirbheek Chauhan
1 On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:15:40 +0100
2 Nirbheek Chauhan <nirbheek@g.o> wrote:
3 > On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Ciaran McCreesh
4 > <ciaran.mccreesh@××××××××××.com> wrote:
5 > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:45:27 +0100
6 > > Nirbheek Chauhan <nirbheek@g.o> wrote:
7 > >> It's a simple workaround for the lack of proper ebuild namespacing
8 > >> on the basis of slots.
9 > >>
10 > >> So, till we have that, this works pretty well. :)
11 > >
12 > > Until you have that, or something else designed to do what you want,
13 > > don't come up with some disgusting hack.
14 >
15 > So the PMS process should be a bottleneck to getting software out to
16 > users? I think that's counter-productive.
17
18 There is no PMS bottleneck. There is a Portage bottleneck, and there is
19 a "figuring out how to ensure new features don't interact badly with
20 either old features or stupid hacks people have done". Abuse of the
21 kind under discussion is a large contributor to both of those
22 bottlenecks.
23
24 > Our goal here is not to facilitate package manager development but to
25 > package and distribute software to users.
26
27 No, your goal is to provide a distribution. Gentoo has repeatedly shot
28 itself in the foot, leg, groin etc by favouring short-term hacks over a
29 well thought out, validated, self-enforcing design. Right now nearly
30 all of the package manager work is on paying off previously incurred
31 technical debt, and in the mean time you're busy adding to it.
32
33 --
34 Ciaran McCreesh

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