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On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 21:05, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o> wrote: |
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> > So all I'm asking is to do your job and make decisions on issues that |
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> > affect all of Gentoo. The issues I brought up are wider than a single |
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> > individual project. |
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> And almost 100% of the time this needs to run through a GLEP, which is |
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> the case here. Then the council will do all the things you've pasted |
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> from GLEP 39 |
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I thought the council was a body that should be capable of action, not |
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merely one that gives a stamp of approval for stuff other people do. |
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Was I wrong? |
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Reading all your manifestos from the elections shows you all had |
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things you wanted to do, things you wanted to change (git migration, |
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forming a group of experts to discuss technical issues, QA |
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propagation, just to name a few). Where did all that go to? If all the |
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council is currently able to do is get everybody involved in |
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bureaucracy (e.g. writing GLEPs for centralizing documentation instead |
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of putting a page full of links) just so it could meet once a month to |
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decide on bugzilla resolutions, then something is wrong. |
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All council members not only volunteered for that position, but also |
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had other people voting for them. Didn't you do that so you could have |
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a larger influence? So you could make Gentoo better? How do you plan |
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to achieve that if you just wait for other people to do it? I don't |
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see why there is such strong opposition by your side to actually do |
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something, after all, that's what you're there for. |
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As I've seen in the last few days, the common reaction to this is, |
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"Well, what do you want us to do? Force people to do stuff?". Why did |
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you want to be a council member if you have no idea how to accomplish |
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the things you wanted to do? How did you think you were going to |
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achieve all those things written in your manifesto? Being in the |
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council is a responsibility, and one which you took upon yourself |
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willingly. All we're now requesting is that you all stand up to that |
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responsibility and use your authority to make changes to how Gentoo |
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work, not point fingers and ask rhetorical questions. |
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Ben raised some very painful issues which hurt Gentoo daily but are |
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not being addressed for a long time. The way I see it, the council's |
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job is to lead Gentoo, and that includes things that individual |
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members may not find interesting. These are global issues which are |
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under the council's responsibility. Gentoo's best interest should be |
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in mind, not personal interests, and so the council should strive to |
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achieve all those things so that Gentoo may benefit from it. That's |
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what leadership is, and that's what your job is. |
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Let's take redesigning the homepage as an example. Our website has the |
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same design since at least 2002, and to users it looks dead. This is |
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seriously hurting Gentoo, and its inability to fix the situation has |
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become a laughing stock. Clearly, Gentoo as a whole suffers and it's |
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the council's responsibility to address this issue. Now, I'm not |
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saying that council members should sit around all day playing with |
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CSS, but this issue should be one of their top priorities. Maybe ask |
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for users to help, reward a volunteer to do it with funds from the |
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foundation, heck maybe even pay some company to do it, but just do |
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something, even though you may not think dealing with this is |
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interesting, but a response like "if you want it then work on it and |
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make it happen" is unacceptable. |
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Note that all that is said here is not pointed at any specific member |
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of the council, but at the council as a whole. I did not intend to |
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hurt anybody, but am genuinely concerned for Gentoo's well being. |
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Dror Levin |