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Gentoo is moving to slow this is why this kind of ideas emerge. It might be |
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moving fast, but obviously still too slow for many. I've got a few ebuilds |
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done which i haven't even bothered to try to get in since i've seen the queue |
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in bugzillla and I'm sure several others are in the same situation. |
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Communication between developers and users is always hard. Esp since many |
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gentoo users isn't strictly users. Some of the points i make might sound a |
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bit harsh - but try to smile while you read them - i think it will make |
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gentoo a better distribution if you do .) |
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On Friday 25 April 2003 21.00, Robin H.Johnson wrote: |
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> On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 09:57:15PM +0200, kikov@××××××××××.com wrote: |
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> > Well... I'm a developer of a project. I have submitted via bugzilla |
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> > several bugs of one of the packages I need ( not from the project, just |
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> > a dependency ). Let see: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2333 |
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> > ohh, yeah, 2002-05-02 07:28 EST... One year ago... |
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> > The bug is still opened. |
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> |
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> Go back and read my posting about why many ebuilds don't get into the |
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> tree. |
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I didn't see a lot of comments about the ebuild not being up to par in |
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bugzilla. Maybe if a developer seeing a build not beeing 'good-enough' could |
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add a small note about this so we - The Users(tm) - or in another word, the |
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user community [3] can fix whats wrong. We aim to please ... |
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> Subject = Re: [gentoo-dev] Ebuilds not getting in :( |
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> Date = Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:36:55 -0700 |
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> |
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> If you fix those issues, and fix that ebuild. |
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> Things to fix: |
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> add SLOT, add KEYWORDS, add IUSE, 'use foo' statement style, use PATCHES |
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> instead of patch+src_unpack, local variable declarations, unnessicary |
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> statement block in src_install, broken homepage URI, ALL documentation |
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> with the package should be installed (manpages and even the guys pgp |
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> key) , einstall instead of 'make install' and most importantly EBUILD |
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> CHANGELOG!!!!! |
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No need to yell, instead add that information to [1]. In a way it's written in |
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[2] but as that is targeted for developers it's hard to know whether or not |
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I'm required to add that to my update, and if i should attach another file |
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with the entire changelog/changelog entry. And equally important, somebody |
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with the proper knowledge should get lintool online again. Apparently it's |
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broken ( see warnings in [2] ) and sure enough it reports errors for |
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baselayout and other core packages so it's probably at least somewhat broken. |
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> |
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> > I have come back to the new versions of the software... In a completely |
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> > new system, and the ebuild works fine. |
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> |
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> Is libcap even actively maintained still? If not and it is not widely |
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> used, then it is not likely to get into the tree at all. |
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Maybe Larry the cow will stop using gentoo then ? After all he liked being in |
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control. If the users isn't in control gentoo will stop beeing bleeding edge |
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and maybe end up only bleeding. |
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What are the purpose of being a meta distribution if only widely used packages |
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get into the tree ? |
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> |
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> If you resolve all of the above issues, and the package is still widely |
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> used (I want some proof of this), then I'll take the ebuild and maintain |
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> it in portage myself. |
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Well, this is a problem since not all packages wanting to be in portage will |
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be widely used. But i have hopes that these kind of problems will be resolved |
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with the restructuring of ebuild submission and maintainance in progress. |
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> |
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> Update the bug with your new ebuild and mark the old ones obsolete. |
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[1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ebuild-submit.xml |
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[2] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-howto.xml |
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[3] http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml |
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/Mikael 'snikkt' Andersson |
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