Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in x11-libs/libva: ChangeLog libva-1.0.10.ebuild

[Alexis Ballier]

On Wednesday, March 09, 2011 10:13:50 AM Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> Dne 9.3.2011 13:08, Alexis Ballier napsal(a):
> > On Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:23:03 PM Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> >> Dne 8.3.2011 15:51, Alexis Ballier napsal(a):
> >>> On Tuesday, March 08, 2011 09:28:13 AM Tomas Chvatal (scarabeus) wrote:
> >>>> scarabeus    11/03/08 12:28:13
> >>>>
> >>>>   Modified:             ChangeLog
> >>>>   Added:                libva-1.0.10.ebuild
> >>>>   Log:
> >>>>   Update to libva shipped by freedesktop. So we do the same as debian
> >>>>   or
> >>>>
> >>>> archlinux. Fixes bug #336854.
> >>>
> >>> Please read metadata.xml before committing...
> >>
> >> I did, x11 is the herd last time i looked.
> >
> > x11 is the herd because when I added it I thought that it was low level
> > enough that x11 may help from time to time. This never gave the right to
> > anyone to break and hijack it without discussion nor notice like you
> > did.
> > Since it seems to be more a burden than a help, I'll remove x11 herd from
> > metadata too when removing the fdo version.
> >
> > Maybe something you didn't understand: herd/maintainership isn't about
> > territoriality and giving the right to commit crap, it's about area of
> > responsability.
> >
> >>> How comes I'm supposed to be the maintainer and have not seen any
> >>> single discussion about it ? Why is it better, etc ? Being a "mouton
> >>> de Panurge" is not a reason [1] :)
> >>> The only "better" thing I see is a greater version number. May I
> >>> suggest you to run a diff and explain me why such a change was needed
> >>> ?
> >>
> >> ok lovely list:
> >> 1) it has freedesktop web page, and we should preffer fdo alternatives
> >> anyway
> >
> > yes, didnt you think that maybe there's a reason I've been using the sds
> > version for almost one year ?
>
> You never named them anywhere.

Indeed, I always thought that's the one that wants to change something that 
needs to explain why. Moreover, I understood you don't care about them since 
you didn't even bother to ask before committing.
As for the reasons: "its the fdo version + a debian/patches dir with, heh, 
some fixes and improvements I'm using..."

>
> >> 2) it has existing git repo (could not find repo for the va you use)
> >
> > you clearly didnt run a diff... its the fdo version + a debian/patches
> > dir with, heh, some fixes and improvements I'm using...
>
> I did run a diff, what am I supposed to trust some weird patches not
> signed or commited to some repo...

you can, eg, review the patches, and decide if you want them or not

>
> >> 3) debian/archlinux/fedora use this one I commited, not former one.
> >
> > so what?
>
> We have this tendency to use what others do so...

This is what I called being a "mouton de Panurge" in my first email ;) I have 
this tendency to use what I am convinced is the best.

> >> 4) the bug was reported to you with x11 CC and you had 6 months already
> >> to at least reply to it why/if you don't agree with the switch.
> >> Suprisingly we try to close long-open bugs with no-maintainer reply.
> >
> > There was no reply because I didn't see the point, for now, to flame
> > users by telling them that a version number doesnt necessarily bring
> > them more code nor features. I thought gentoo developers were aware of
> > that. I was wrong. I left it open because I thought, at some point, that
> > we will not need the sds version. I don't think it's the case now.
>
> So first you say you was not aware of the discussion, now you say you
> just didn't feel the need to reply.

Maybe we do not have the same definition of a "discussion". Nobody compared it 
to the sds version, nobody said we should drop the sds version, the only thing 
I've ever seen is that it has a greater version number...
A discussion would have been someone explaining why we should move away from 
sds to fdo and we could have weighted the alternatives.

> I did see that you commited copied version of older one, given the fancy
> amount of people just doing cp a b for version bumps and not bothering
> by any bugs I just went ahead and looked what other guys does and made
> it same.

You shouldn't assume people are stupid by default ;) in case of doubt, sending 
an email never killed anyone.

> I would commit the update even if it would be libva-0.0.1 I
> didn't do it for sake of the version.
>
> > Seeing that I bumped it ~1 week ago, did you really expect that it was an
> > abandonned package and that you were saving it ? Were you trying to
> > hijack it? Or maybe just piss me off ?
>
> Just consider I tried to piss you off if you have this attitude. I could
> not care less about some libva if i would not be looking on that bug for
> some time without any damn reply from maintainer and x11 in CC.

A ping on the bug would have been more appropriate ;)

> I usually ask on irc, but given the fact you don't bother with the
> media...

If I were on irc I would be idle most of the time. Email or bgo are more 
reliable medias if you want to get an answer.

> just remove x11 from herds and enjoy your package.
>
> You might also consider dropping x11 from x11-libs/vdpau-video
>

fair enough

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