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On 15 June 2012 15:58, Richard Farina <sidhayn@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> On 06/15/2012 03:12 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: |
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>> On 15 June 2012 13:24, Arun Raghavan <ford_prefect@g.o> wrote: |
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>>> On 15 June 2012 10:33, Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o> wrote: |
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>>>> On 15 June 2012 12:45, Arun Raghavan <ford_prefect@g.o> wrote: |
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>>>>> On 15 June 2012 09:58, Greg KH <gregkh@g.o> wrote: |
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>>>>>> So, anyone been thinking about this? I have, and it's not pretty. |
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>>>>>> Minor details like, "do we have a 'company' that can pay Microsoft to |
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>>>>>> sign our bootloader?" is one aspect from the non-technical side that I've |
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>>>>>> been wondering about. |
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>>>>> Sounds like something the Gentoo Foundation could do. |
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>>>> I'm certainly not the only one who would be averse to paying Microsoft |
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>>>> any ransom money. |
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>>> And our refusal to pay for the signing affects precisely nobody except |
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>>> for our users, who will have to jump through an extra hoop to make |
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>>> their system work. |
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>>> On the flip side, having a simple way to use this infrastructure means |
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>>> that people who care about security can get a chain of trust from the |
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>>> firmware to the kernel (heck, maybe even userspace one day). This is |
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>>> something that is worth having as well. |
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>> I agree that security is a worthwhile goal. I just don't trust Microsoft. |
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> It's more of a "pay us or your system can't boot" that I'm opposed to. |
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That's why I called it ransom money. I'm very opposed to that too. |
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But if we're talking about security and a chain of trust, then Microsoft |
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has no place in that either. |
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> Saying "I just don't trust Microsoft" is second to "I just don't trust |
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> corporations that extort money from me just so I can boot". I don't |
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> care who we are paying, I'm offended by the idea. If users can't build |
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> their own fully functional boot loader that's an issue. |
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> I'm all for the signed "work-around signatures" idea as it is the least |
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> objectionable... if such a thing is even possible. |
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> -Zero |
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Cheers, |
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Ben | yngwin |
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Gentoo developer |
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Gentoo Qt project lead |
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