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Deedra Waters wrote: |
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| All, |
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| Most of you if not all know why i've been so absent over the past |
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| several weeks. Now that things are settling back down, I want to revisit |
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| the old topic of how devrel handles complaints etc. I've got 1 major |
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| change that i would like to make to the devrel policy for how complaints |
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| are handled. |
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| A lot of people have told me after the fact that having seperate |
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| judicial and investigative branches make things too complicated and the |
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| end result is too much red tape. Some disagree and think that things |
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| won't/aren't too complicated. |
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| Here's what i want to do. |
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| Basically, for the most part, the transparency of how complaints are |
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| handled stays the same. The only thing i really want to change, is that |
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| i think that a commitee of say 3 to 5 people handles a complaint from |
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| beginning to end. Basically, i think that this is much simpler, and the |
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| devrel members i've mentioned it to seem to like this idea. The big |
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| thing for most people is that what ever happens, the transparency needs |
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| to stay, and i completely agree there. |
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| So, 1. I'd like to see some discussion over the next couple of days to |
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| get feedback, and 2. I'd like to shoot for 1800 UTC on friday for a |
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| meeting. |
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| Thoughts? |
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| Deedra |
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The following are reasons why the proposal is not a good fit for devrel. |
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The concepts put forth are all based on legal systems that exist in some |
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government, US, EU, or whatever. Now, we have 300 developers working in |
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gentoo. compare that to the 300,000,000 people living in the US. what |
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are the odds that a person who *supposedly* commits a crime knows and/or |
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has affected the judge trying the case? It approaches ZERO. In the |
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rare case that this does happen, a new judge is appointed, or a mistrial |
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is declared. |
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Why does this matter? Due to the numbers, It's almost a certainty that |
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the judge hasn't had any interaction with the accused. In theory, this |
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allows him to be impartial.(we all know this frequently isn't true in |
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reality) |
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Now, consider how a judiciary board in a large organization handles |
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things. Chances are, they have had interaction with said accused, and |
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they act upon that information that they allready have, along with any |
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new facts that may pertain to the "crime." They certainly arn't |
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impartial. The only thing that prevents it from being "unfair" is the |
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fact that there is a panel, and not one person making the decision. |
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So, with that said, what are we closer to? A large country, or a large |
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organization. I'd say the latter, and I'm sure if people weren't trying |
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to berate Deedras idea they would agree. |
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About the proposal that was adopted a couple of months ago: It's a |
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great idea in theory. If we ever grew to numbers exceeding 10,000, I |
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would be inclined to think it may even work. However, as it stands, it |
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has accomplished 2 things, one good and one bad. First, it put into |
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place a structure where one "evil fucking devrel member" couldn't punish |
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another. Secondly, it makes devrel ineffective as the judicial body in |
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gentoo, because everyone would rather work on something more rewarding |
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than be forced to wade through the red tape the the proposal calls for. |
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In the end, I've read 20+ emails today on this thread, which we at best |
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"I don't like this", and at worst, "devrel is a conspiracy!", yet no one |
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has offered a solution. Put up or shut up. My recommendation would be |
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to merge the two groups, by expanding the panel of "judges" from 3-5 to |
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5-7. This cuts out a lot of the red tape and improves communication |
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while still retaining a similar number of people involved. |
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Disclaimer: I didn't actually bother to look up a)the number of devs, |
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b) the number of people living in the US; so please don't nitpick on |
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those points. |
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