Gentoo Archives: gentoo-devrel

From: Ferris McCormick <fmccor@g.o>
To: gentoo-devrel@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-devrel] Proposal
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:58:30
Message-Id: Pine.LNX.4.63.0506062345010.11990@terciopelo.krait.us
In Reply to: [gentoo-devrel] Proposal by Michael Tindal
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4 On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Michael Tindal wrote:
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6 [Introductory material omitted]
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8 >
9 > http://dev.gentoo.org/~urilith/devrel-proposal.txt
10 >
11 > I contacted ciaranm with this proposal to get his input, and in a very
12 > professional manner he pointed out some shortcomings that I feel are
13 > relevant and need to be addressed (I will forward these emails if anyone
14 > wishes if/when I receive his permission to do so).
15 >
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17 Please do.
18
19 > Some of these points should be implicit, but I guess it makes sense to
20 > make them more explicit:
21 >
22 > - Members of the Investigative Subproject should not be members of the
23 > Judicial Subproject to ensure the capcities remain seperated, and
24 > intimate knowledge gained by the investigative subproject (and therefore
25 > private) cannot be used to make decision (which requires the evidence be
26 > public). Making this distinction explicit reduces the chance for human
27 > error in that regard.
28 >
29 Good point. For the same reason a judge cannot reasonably hear an appeal
30 of a decision the judge has participated in, an investigator cannot
31 reasonably judge the evidence he himself has gathered.
32
33 > - Management should not be allowed to sit on either board, since doing
34 > so inhibits their ability to properly appeal a decision. Althoug the
35 > terms in the proposal are not this stringent, I do feel this is a
36 > rightful addendum.
37 >
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39 That's better than the way I put it.
40
41 > - Evidence used must have the supporting context available. This
42 > might include the relevant forum posts, IRC logs, etc. This is to
43 > ensure that a misunderstanding does not result in unreasonable action
44 > against a developer.
45 >
46
47 This is pretty analogous to the hearsay rule used in the legal system (at
48 least in intent). It enhances the confidence you have in the evidence's
49 reliability, and at the same time presents somethint concrete to
50 substantiate or rebut.
51
52 > If the people here agree with any of these points, I will add them to
53 > the proposal as necessary, but I felt it worthy of discussing them first
54 > before changing the wording on the proposal.
55 >
56 > Mike
57
58 I think these are all on target, and should be included.
59
60 Great work.
61
62 Regards,
63 Ferris
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65 Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <fmccor@g.o>
66 Developer, Gentoo Linux (sparc)
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