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From: Paul Varner <fuzzyray@g.o>
Subject: Re: devrel meeting etc
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:51:12 -0500
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 16:41 -0500, Deedra Waters wrote:
> The devrel members who first approached me on this think that this is
> too much red tape for something that 1, is literally probably going to
> almost never be used 2, it's going to take too long to do anything with,
> and take too long to get results that are going to make people happy,
> and 3 most of them agreed to this policy because at the time it looked
> like the best option. In looking  back at it, it's not the best option,
> so they want something less complicated.
> 

1. If it is almost never used, where is the extra red-tape?
2. Why is it going to take too long to get results?
3. What has changed to make it not look like the best option?

> The reality is that reguardless of what devrel decides to do people
> aren't going to be happy.

That one will always be true.  However, if you have a well documented
and followed process, those people are going to be on the fringes of the
organization. If they are not, then something is probably wrong with the
process and should be fixed.

I thought that a lot of the reason for the recent changes were due to
the perception that there were problems with the process. As I said in
my first message, no was my gut reaction.  A lot of the reason for that
reaction is I don't see a clearly defined process being proposed in its
place. I also am not seeing why this newest process isn't a workable
process, other than complaints that it contains too much red-tape. 

Note: I'm not saying that there isn't too much red-tape and bureaucracy,
just that I'm not seeing the evidence of it showing the reasoning behind
the latest proposed changes.

When it comes to the discipline process, I personally feel that is one
place where we rally should make the effort to have our procedures
documented and thought out. If enough developers have a bad perception
about our disciplinary process, we are just hurting ourselves.

Finally, I'm not a part of developer relations, so my opinions don't
really matter when it comes time to vote on this.  But I do want to
thank you for taking the time be open and to listen to my point of view.

Regards,
Paul

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