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From: George Prowse <cokehabit2003@...>
Subject: Re: Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:26:43 +0000
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:51:51 +0000 George Prowse
> <cokehabit2003@...> wrote:
> | If they dont go on them how do they know they dont like them? We know
> | that quite a few developers do. We need more to show that devs aren't
> | these "unapproachable" creatures. Why do you need to search through
> | them, just to go "Portage and Programming" and see if you can help...
> 
> You're assuming that developers don't go at all. I'd be strongly
> inclined to believe that many developers have gone by the forums, at
> least briefly, and found reasons not to stay.

Your point is? Many have gone to the forums and stayed as well. It is
not 100% either way so all we can do is try to improve the forums to the
point that it's usability makes it a more attractive form of
communication between developers and users.
> 
> But then, with an attitude that "the forums are perfect and anyone who
> says otherwise is out to get us", how will anyone ever find out?

Considering that I asked you for your suggestions, then told you that
you gave a good one and consequently gave a couple myself should show
you that your *assumed* view towards my (and perhaps the forum's staff)
attitude is incorrect.
> 
> | Do you think that your attitude towards the forums, developers,
> | projects, users and unofficial Gentoo projects helps as well?
> | Remember, I am not a developer but I can see, read and hear and from
> | a users POV your tact leaves a lot to be desired. Instead of
> | rubbishing the forums you could have suggested the improvements in
> | your first email in the manner that you eventually did and we
> | wouldn't have any of this now, instead you seem intent on turning it
> | into another "webapp-config"
> 
> Instead of immediately assuming that I am out to get everyone, you
> could have asked for clarification on points where you're unclear. Take
> a look at the "QA Roles v2" thread on -dev for how things *should* work
> -- when someone is unsure or doesn't see a point, they ask for an
> explanation. That way any questions get answered quickly, without huge
> amounts of space being wasted on things that everyone already knows.
> 
> The way threads degenerate is when people start leaping to conclusions
> and making wild accusations based upon small amounts of material that
> they are misinterpreting. Or, occasionally, when someone starts posting
> eight page explanations of things everyone already knows...
> 
Good, it seems like you understand yourself then. anme@g.o already
suggested you took any problems to
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3048180.html#3048180 so if you have
some good advice - and it seems like you do, please help them make
Gentoo a happier place.
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References:
Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
-- Christel Dahlskjaer
Re: Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
-- George Prowse
Re: Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
-- Ciaran McCreesh
Re: Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
-- George Prowse
Re: Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
-- Ciaran McCreesh
Re: Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
-- George Prowse
Re: Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
-- Ciaran McCreesh
Re: Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
-- George Prowse
Re: Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
-- Ciaran McCreesh
Re: Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
-- George Prowse
Re: Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
-- Ciaran McCreesh
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