Gentoo Archives: gentoo-devrel

From: George Prowse <cokehabit2003@××××××××.uk>
To: gentoo-devrel@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-devrel] Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:26:55
Message-Id: 44083603.4050104@yahoo.co.uk
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-devrel] Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project by Ciaran McCreesh
1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
2 Hash: SHA1
3
4 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
5 > On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:51:51 +0000 George Prowse
6 > <cokehabit2003@××××××××.uk> wrote:
7 > | If they dont go on them how do they know they dont like them? We know
8 > | that quite a few developers do. We need more to show that devs aren't
9 > | these "unapproachable" creatures. Why do you need to search through
10 > | them, just to go "Portage and Programming" and see if you can help...
11 >
12 > You're assuming that developers don't go at all. I'd be strongly
13 > inclined to believe that many developers have gone by the forums, at
14 > least briefly, and found reasons not to stay.
15
16 Your point is? Many have gone to the forums and stayed as well. It is
17 not 100% either way so all we can do is try to improve the forums to the
18 point that it's usability makes it a more attractive form of
19 communication between developers and users.
20 >
21 > But then, with an attitude that "the forums are perfect and anyone who
22 > says otherwise is out to get us", how will anyone ever find out?
23
24 Considering that I asked you for your suggestions, then told you that
25 you gave a good one and consequently gave a couple myself should show
26 you that your *assumed* view towards my (and perhaps the forum's staff)
27 attitude is incorrect.
28 >
29 > | Do you think that your attitude towards the forums, developers,
30 > | projects, users and unofficial Gentoo projects helps as well?
31 > | Remember, I am not a developer but I can see, read and hear and from
32 > | a users POV your tact leaves a lot to be desired. Instead of
33 > | rubbishing the forums you could have suggested the improvements in
34 > | your first email in the manner that you eventually did and we
35 > | wouldn't have any of this now, instead you seem intent on turning it
36 > | into another "webapp-config"
37 >
38 > Instead of immediately assuming that I am out to get everyone, you
39 > could have asked for clarification on points where you're unclear. Take
40 > a look at the "QA Roles v2" thread on -dev for how things *should* work
41 > -- when someone is unsure or doesn't see a point, they ask for an
42 > explanation. That way any questions get answered quickly, without huge
43 > amounts of space being wasted on things that everyone already knows.
44 >
45 > The way threads degenerate is when people start leaping to conclusions
46 > and making wild accusations based upon small amounts of material that
47 > they are misinterpreting. Or, occasionally, when someone starts posting
48 > eight page explanations of things everyone already knows...
49 >
50 Good, it seems like you understand yourself then. anme@g.o already
51 suggested you took any problems to
52 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3048180.html#3048180 so if you have
53 some good advice - and it seems like you do, please help them make
54 Gentoo a happier place.
55 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
56 Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux)
57 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
58
59 iD8DBQFECDYDz/6yU8dAfVERAk4hAKDbd/DekaO6XYZZDvzmsVhXDIy4kgCdE8jH
60 z4aa3HCbrdvuFqihDnyBk68=
61 =O6sx
62 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
63 --
64 gentoo-devrel@g.o mailing list