People who are looking into a problem don't automaticly assume that
someone is guilty, or rather, should not. if something ever gets to the
stage of this setup, then it most likely is something that can't be
resolved by any other ways. Remember, we're talking about something
that is pretty much never used, and i can only think of 3 situations
that it could have been used in in the nearly 2 years that i've been a
The devrel members who first approached me on this think that this is
too much red tape for something that 1, is literally probably going to
almost never be used 2, it's going to take too long to do anything with,
and take too long to get results that are going to make people happy,
and 3 most of them agreed to this policy because at the time it looked
like the best option. In looking back at it, it's not the best option,
so they want something less complicated.
The reality is that reguardless of what devrel decides to do people
aren't going to be happy.
Some of you may or may not think about the 4th reason or care, but i
have to think about my team. If the people that you work with so to
speak are not happy with the way things are, then things aren't going
to go well. In short, and since i suck with words, i'll put it this way.
I'm not going to force devrel to do something that half of them don't
like. 1, that's bad leadership, and 2. that's just not right.
On Tue, 6 Sep 2005, Paul Varner wrote:
> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:26:32 -0500
> From: Paul Varner <email@example.com>
> Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> To: email@example.com
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-devrel] devrel meeting etc
> On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 15:40 -0500, Deedra Waters wrote:
>> How does someone else decide the punishment ensure fair? Truely, i don't
>> see that that does not in a situation like this, at any rate. People can
>> still appeal the overall decision to the council, there's knowone
>> stopping them from it reguardless of wether it's a commitee that makes
>> the decision, or 2 seperate branches.
> It doesn't ensure 100% fairness as all systems can be abused. What
> having it separate does, is allow the people that are deciding the
> punishment be as impartial as possible.
> Putting it into context of receiving a speeding ticket. I don't want the
> police officer who writes me a ticket for speeding to be the one to
> determine that I'm guilty of speeding (he has already made that decision
> based upon writing me a ticket). I want a third party who can look at
> what I say the facts are and what the police officer says the facts are
> to make that decision. The third party helps to ensure that my side of
> the story is heard and weighed into consideration. That is what helps to
> ensure the fairness.
Deedra Waters - Gentoo developer relations, accessibility and infrastructure -
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