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From: Mike Doty <kingtaco@g.o>
Subject: Re: RFC: etiquette enforcment
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:45:01 -0500
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Tim Yamin wrote:
>> So, here is my proposal.  I hope it's not the only one.
>>
>> creation of a etiquette enforcement group.  This group should be a
>> subproject of devrel, but should not be made up of devrel members.  I
>> say this because the actions and powers of this group need to be
>> separated from devrel.
> 
> Who will lead the group? Also is the enforcer's powers limited purely to
> spurs on IRC and mailing lists; i.e. behaviour issues and/or repetitive
> patterns still go to devrel for discussion; complaints to Bugzilla, etc?

Not me, I feel I can't do it while still belonging to the groups that
I'm currently in unless there in a public vote and I'm voted in.

>> - - enforcer sets modes +q troll for #foobar
> 
> Devs (well, ops in the channel) have always had this capability; nothing
> new. Also address problem of enforcer himself being an ass on IRC/MLs,
> what happens then; we don't want a "that guy did it and he's reponsible
> for good behaviour so I can do it too" happening...
Yes, and what happens?  someone else kicks the kicker.  Addressing a
enforcer who acts out is no different than addressing a devrel member
who does the same.  we try to select people that won't do that, but when
it happens we deal with it in the best possible way.

>> Sometimes people need a bigger kick in the ass though, which is where a
>> short term ban helps.  When I say a short term ban, I mean 30-90
>> minutes.  it allows everyone to cool off without them using bad judgment
>> and popping back in.  I do similar enforcement in #-amd64 and it works
>> very well.
> 
> ... making sure that said person is informed of the ban, otherwise it
> might be useless and have no effect.
agreed.

>> 1.  any and every action that the enforcer uses to enforce etiquette
>> needs to be immediately and publicly documented.  as a start I recommend
>> sending a email to gentoo-devrel ML.  This includes full logs/archive
>> pointers.
> 
> gentoo-devrel isn't a database for etiquette violations given that it's
> archived all over the place. You need a more appropriate place.

make it bugs or a webpage or whatever.  I don't care so long as it's public.

>> 4.  if an enforcer has effected a ban on a person/group and the subject
>> was a time sensitive topic, then the enforcer is obligated to relay
>> messages verbatim from the person/group for the duration of the ban.
> 
> Topic such as? And if it's verbatim what's the point of the ban?
The point here is that in a time sensitive situation that even the troll
should get his fair say.  This is the best that I could come up with.  I
hope that someone else can suggest a better way.

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-- Mike Doty
Re: RFC: etiquette enforcment
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