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Tim Yamin wrote:
>> So, here is my proposal. I hope it's not the only one.
>> creation of a etiquette enforcement group. This group should be a
>> subproject of devrel, but should not be made up of devrel members. I
>> say this because the actions and powers of this group need to be
>> separated from devrel.
> Who will lead the group? Also is the enforcer's powers limited purely to
> spurs on IRC and mailing lists; i.e. behaviour issues and/or repetitive
> patterns still go to devrel for discussion; complaints to Bugzilla, etc?
Not me, I feel I can't do it while still belonging to the groups that
I'm currently in unless there in a public vote and I'm voted in.
>> - - enforcer sets modes +q troll for #foobar
> Devs (well, ops in the channel) have always had this capability; nothing
> new. Also address problem of enforcer himself being an ass on IRC/MLs,
> what happens then; we don't want a "that guy did it and he's reponsible
> for good behaviour so I can do it too" happening...
Yes, and what happens? someone else kicks the kicker. Addressing a
enforcer who acts out is no different than addressing a devrel member
who does the same. we try to select people that won't do that, but when
it happens we deal with it in the best possible way.
>> Sometimes people need a bigger kick in the ass though, which is where a
>> short term ban helps. When I say a short term ban, I mean 30-90
>> minutes. it allows everyone to cool off without them using bad judgment
>> and popping back in. I do similar enforcement in #-amd64 and it works
>> very well.
> ... making sure that said person is informed of the ban, otherwise it
> might be useless and have no effect.
>> 1. any and every action that the enforcer uses to enforce etiquette
>> needs to be immediately and publicly documented. as a start I recommend
>> sending a email to gentoo-devrel ML. This includes full logs/archive
> gentoo-devrel isn't a database for etiquette violations given that it's
> archived all over the place. You need a more appropriate place.
make it bugs or a webpage or whatever. I don't care so long as it's public.
>> 4. if an enforcer has effected a ban on a person/group and the subject
>> was a time sensitive topic, then the enforcer is obligated to relay
>> messages verbatim from the person/group for the duration of the ban.
> Topic such as? And if it's verbatim what's the point of the ban?
The point here is that in a time sensitive situation that even the troll
should get his fair say. This is the best that I could come up with. I
hope that someone else can suggest a better way.
Mike Doty firstname.lastname@example.org
Gentoo/AMD64 Strategic Lead PGP Key: 0xA797C7A7
Gentoo Developer Relations
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